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02 July 2009 @ 09:12 pm
195: What Is This Thing You Humans Call 'Star Trek'?  
Having a fandom that is public knowledge is weird. I mean, no one ever discussed due South in my presence who wasn't also discussing Fraser's cock. I don't think anyone but fans has even heard of The Sentinel. I know lots of people read comic books, but no one is willing to admit to it at the places where I go. I'm not sure anyone over the age of 15 has ever watched Merlin who didn't want to write fan fiction where someone got it on with someone else. A few people had, presumably, heard of Stargate: Atlantis, but it's not like anyone said anything about it. But Star Trek is - well. Let me tell you a story.

Twice a week, I take the earthling to OT. The pediatric therapy section is part of a unit that also provides therapy to adults. Because I spend a lot of time in the waiting area, I know most of the adult therapists at least vaguely, and I know the names of all the women, because they wear their badges. (So do the men, technically, but they usually clip their badges to a pocket and then put the badge inside the pocket. It's on, but it's not like you can see who they are.) So I have to make up nicknames for the guys.

Once, I was waiting for an elevator with one of the adult PTs and he spontaneously shared with me that it was his first day back at work after some surfing championship thing. "Oh?" I said politely. "How was it?"

"Totally awesome," he said very sincerely, and that was the last thing he said that I understood, although he kept talking all the way up in the elevator and then down the hall. Just before we parted ways, I figured out that he was relating the details of his own performance, with helpful side notes about the condition of the ocean.

"Awesome!" I said, confidant that at least I knew that much of his dialect, and he nodded enthusiastically. I went to the waiting area and he went off to teach a stroke patient to walk, and I started to think of him as Surfer Boy.

But then one day I sat in the waiting area next to a woman in her sixties and her forty-ish companion as they watched Surfer Boy demonstrate one of the weight machines and discussed in great detail what they'd like to do to him. (It started with the younger one saying, "I'd like to sink my teeth into those thighs." "Honey," said the older one as she crocheted something pink, "If I got my mouth on him, I wouldn't waste time on his thighs.") They called him Mr. Hotass throughout their very extensive discussion of his features and probable abilities, and the nickname Surfer Boy just couldn't compete. He is Mr. Hotass forever to me now.

And there's another adult PT who I think of as the Professor, because he reminds me of a professor I had in college - he's very tall, and he wears wire rim glasses, and he's fond of slightly frayed Oxford shirts that in no way match his corduroys or chinos. He, like my college professor, speaks very very quietly. I have never understood a word he's said. (With my college professor, if you didn't get to class in time to get a front row seat, you just studied from the book, copied down the board occasionally, and hoped someone up there was taking good notes.)

And, finally, there is Itsuko. (See? She wears her name tag!) If I had to give her a nickname, it would be PT Fangirl. She is very, very interested in American Idol (she was near tears over Adam Lambert's loss - no, really, there was a small group of sad, hugging women in the hall the next day, and I just thank my friends list, because without y'all I would have thought Adam Lambert was a patient who died) and also those dance shows.

So, the other day the Professor was using the work table, and Mr. Hotass was next to him getting a hot towel out of the big scary steamy hot towel machine that you have to use the Tongs of Giantness on. Itsuko was waiting behind Mr. Hotass. And they had the following conversation:

The Professor: *something inaudible, ending in a questioning tone*
Mr. Hotass: Damn it, Jim, I'm a physical therapist, not a doctor!
[Laughter.]
The Professor: *something inaudible and semi-emphatic sounding*
[Further laughter.]
Itsuko: Fascinating, Captain. Dr. McCoy, if you do not require any additional hot packs, I believe it would be most logical for you to yield your place to me.

And I knew exactly what they were talking about it. I could even make some decent guesses about what the Professor had said, and that has never happened before.

My primary sensation was one of injustice. That was my fandom! They weren't supposed to know about it! I wanted to yank them aside and say, "YOU! Obviously your fandom is surfing. Go back to being incomprehensible about that! Itsuko - okay, you can stay, because really I think you're more than halfway there already. But as for you, Professor, I don't know what your interests are, but I'm betting you're a founding member of the Speak Softly (Stick Optional) Club for Boring Men. STAY AWAY FROM MY FANDOM."

And then I remembered that everyone knows about Star Trek, and in fact basically everyone in the Western hemisphere knows more about Star Trek than I do (because they've seen more than one episode of the series, and probably the movie as well).

Because the thing is, there's so much stuff in Star Trek. It's not just the movie. It's not even the movie and the original series. It's some number of spinoffs, and I don't even know how many. (People, what the hell is Enterprise? Is that the same as TNG? TOS? Is it a whole OTHER series? I would check Wikipedia on this one, but it tends to really enhance my feelings of Star Trek inadequacy.) It's a very large number of novels, many of them, bizarrely, written by people whose names I recognize, some I even know. (And one, apparently, was slash, and no one noticed until after it came out. Oops!) And it's half a fucking century of fans, and fanwank, and people writing long impassioned essays about things like insignia design and the meaning of spaceship numbers. (For the record, I entirely salute this. It's just too much for me to assimilate.)

It's overwhelming, is my point. In a good way! A good way! But I keep turning to Best Beloved and saying things like, "Okay, what is with this t'hy'la thing? It's in every story ever!"

And she says, "I don't know." (Because she hasn't watched all the original Trek. This is a problem, as she is my source of information for all visual media. And she probably won't be seeing the whole series, either. Normally I could buy her a season or two as, like, a subtle hint in the shape of a gift, but have you seen how much those things cost? Too much for a hint, I'll tell you that.)

Or I say to Best Beloved, "Okay. Pon farr. So there was - um, a girl? That Spock didn't marry?"

And Best Beloved, who has in fact seen that episode, says, "Well, yes. She wanted to marry someone else, so she challenged Spock and picked Kirk as her champion - no, I don't know why, so don't ask - and they fought and Spock thought he'd killed Kirk. He was very sad, as I recall. And then she went off and married the other guy."

So I - nimbly avoiding the question she told me not to ask, because I am no fool, say, "What happened with the pon farr, though? Doesn't he have to have sex with someone?"

And she says, "I don't know, but looking back, I'd have to say he and Kirk went somewhere private."

It's also intimidating. I normally eventually get to a place where at least I feel like I can write in a fandom, even if I never actually do, but I don't think that's going to happen here. There's just too much stuff to know. This means, of course, that I will have to sit here and just hope that someone else writes the stories I want to see. Like the story where the reboot universe gets a few more Spocks - like, raised-on-earth Spock, and Captain-of-the-Enterprise Spock, and never-met-Kirk Spock. How many Vulcans can one starship hold? (Oh, like you've never wanted to see a vid to "Part of Your World" for Spock.) LOTS, would be my feeling, and, really. The more Spock, the better.

Which brings me to another embarrassing element of all this. I appear to have developed an OTC. (Yes, I, too, look at those initials and see over the counter. But I refuse to spell it out.) And my OTC is - well, Spock. This is highly distressing! First, I feel like, well, what else have I missed about classic fandom? Will it turn out that my favorite show in the whole entire world is Starsky and Hutch or something? (Just having a favorite TV show would be quite a shock to my system.) But most of all, I feel strangely adrift. I'm usually an OTP kind of girl, and so I know what to read: things with my characters' names on them, and a slash in between. With an OTC, it's different. Because I will happily read Spock paired with basically anyone - Kirk, Uhura, Sulu, his tricorder, the warp cores (although Scotty would kill him if he tried anything), John Sheppard, Jack Sparrow, the Enterprise, a culturally significant and aesthetically pleasing rock, whatever. As well, of course, as any gen in all kinds of quantities

This makes it much harder to read fan fiction. I need to know, in advance, if a story that's gen will contain sufficient Spock, or if it will leave me muttering, "Okay, that was kind of awesome. But, seriously: not enough Vulcans, too many mans." (It's not that I don't like the others. I do. I just - SPOCK. He is everything I ever wanted a character to be! And also telepathic, which I find deeply creepy, but that just adds an edge, you know?) Plus there's ever the danger that I will read a story that ends with a SAD Spock. And I think we all know that a sad Vulcan (grimly repressing all signs of sadness and pretending that it is totally logical to lie on his bed and listen to Fall Out Boy all day) is the very saddest thing of all.

I remain hopeful that I will settle into some kind of stable OTP orbit, though I don't know exactly how that would work. (NO, it is not going to be Spock/Spock. I have limits. Probably.)

And so I am here, overwhelmed (Why isn't there an easy, bullet-point summary? For people who are maybe not up to reading fifty years of, like, Trekian scholarship?) and out of my element (an OTC, seriously; I cannot even cope).

But definitely in the fandom. Eeee! Trek!

The One That Is Everything (Okay, Not Quite, but Still) Wrong with Movies Today. And It's Brilliant. ...On the Dance Floor, by sloanesomething.

This is for that one lone fan out there who didn't know what I was referencing with "not enough Vulcans, too many mans." It's also for anyone who doesn't know Star Trek at all. Or anyone who knows Star Trek but isn't our kind of fan. Because, oh my god, this is so awesome, and I don't care who you are: you will get this. (And if you don't love it, there's just no hope for you.)

Of course, the sad part is that you could use this song for a vid in basically any fandom, except, you know, Xena. But I refuse to think about that! Instead I will think about the joy that this vid brings me. Which is a lot. And it brings it about every ten minutes, because once you start watching this vid, there is no stopping.

(There's also no chance that you'll get through the day without singing this song. It's like heroin for your ears. I just feel I should tell you that now, so you don't blame me later when you sing it in front of your direct supervisor, or your entire family, or, you know, a gathering of Sunday school kids.)

The One That Answers the Question of Who Is Doing All the Unglamorous Work in Starfleet. The First Time, by Afrai, aka [info - dreamwidth.org]bravecows. It's - OFC/OFC? Kind of? That's not really the point, though.

So, having spent quite some time wibbling about my negative reaction to any story not featuring Spock (which, seriously, in my head I want to make that sparkly text, except I know it would be wrong), I'm going to start off by recommending something that is totally Spock-free. And here's the thing: I don't care. This is that good.

What's it about? Well. Let's just say this is meta as well as fan fiction, and you'll get it as you go along, and I can't tell you in advance.

I can say, though, that I love these characters. And I want them to be canon. I want the concepts to be canon. There's something in here that is SO AWESOME and makes so much intuitive sense and yet I cannot think of any visual SF that does it, although of course my reference set is limited - I mean, I haven't even seen all the Star Trek spinoffs.

So I can't tell you what this is about, really. I can just tell you to read. Oh, and I can say that if this story were canon, well, that'd be a step toward correcting the problem the last rec identified.

The One That Features Courtship Via Phonemes. I Mean, I Guess Almost All Courtship Is, but These Are Explicit Phonemes, and, No, I Don't Mean That the Way You Think I Do. Break, by yahtzee63. S'chn T'gai Spock/Nyota Uhura.

This story, on the other hand, has an entirely acceptable amount of Spock. It also has lots and lots of profoundly awesome Uhura. My only complaint about this story is that, once again, I think everyone in the universe has already read it, but I want to rec it, so I will. I've never worried about that problem before, after all.

This is backstory - although that seems like an insulting term for it, really - for the Spock/Uhura relationship in canon, and I looooooove it. (I think most dedicated slashers will love this one. There's enough emotional distance and longing and requited passion, plus just a touch of angst, to satisfy. Or so it was for me.) This has all the elements I need in a story featuring Spock (great seething cauldron of emotion, sternly repressed, occasionally bubbling to the surface while he pretends that, no, there are no disturbances in the core of Planet Spock, which is of course not at all volcanic, no, really, ignore that eruption you hear). And it has a Nyota who is truly an equal character, truly intelligent, and truly human. I could not ask for more.

In fact, this story has made me kind of afraid to see the movie, because if there's one thing I know about big-budget summer action movies, it's that they don't usually provide rich character development and thoughtful, realistic relationships and depth. I am guessing, if this story were canon, most of the words in it would be replaced by something exploding.

The Vid That Teaches Us That Vulcans Are the Real Rough Trade. Or, Okay, Not, but They Sure Do Give New Meaning to Rough Sex. Poker Face, by talitha78. S'chn T'gai Spock/Jim Kirk.

So, um, this vid is pretty much the closest we'll get to an actual canon Kirk/Spock sex scene, or am I the only one seeing that on that screen? No, I can't be.

And, if that is not enough to compel you - this is Spock. Spock! Who has a POKER FACE! Except not, as it turns out, for Kirk. Kirk: the illogical exception to every aspect of Vulcan control! I could not love this more.

PLUS, we get to see the evolution of Spock, from fierce but wee baby Spock to more-Vulcan-than-Vulcan pre-Starfleet Spock to Kill him? Fuck him? Maybe both! Spock-with-Kirk. They are all my favorite Spocks, let me tell you.

And I love that this fandom has been so prolific, with so many excellent vids set to so many songs I would not normally listen to at all. And yet, you know, there's a decent chance I'll end up loving this song. I mean, I watch the vid enough.

(Spoooooooooock. <3 <3 <3 <3!)

(P.S. Anyone know of a good place to get ST icons? I neeeeeed them. Apparently.)
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feochadnfeochadn on July 3rd, 2009 04:43 am (UTC)
Enterprise is another series. Admiral Archer's beagle? That's an Enterprise reference.
Last time I counted:
5 television series
11 movies
459 novels
43 years of fandom

Have fun. *g*
tried to eat the safe banana: All the bees are ded.thefourthvine on July 3rd, 2009 05:44 am (UTC)
I think I need to go put a cold cloth on my head.

(FOUR HUNDRED FIFTY NINE NOVELS? Holy shit. And I hear some of them are actually good.)
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Cesperanza: Kirk<3cesperanza on July 3rd, 2009 04:53 am (UTC)
This thing you have for Spock, the OTC? Is basically the PRIMEVAL OOZE OUT OF WHICH ALL FANDOM CRAWLED AND EVOLVED, imo. It was that desperate OTC thing, more than any other single factor in the entire known universe, IMO, that led to the evolution of the entire fannish race--we crawled out and got lungs, legs, then stood up and made the wheel and fire and office buildings and cars and the iPhone--the whole of fannish civilization. It is like watching Patient Zero all over again. I am delighted.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV dogtagsthefourthvine on July 3rd, 2009 05:47 am (UTC)
See, and it never made sense to me before, but NOW I GET IT OMG. Spock is like a walking definition of slash! I can see how people might look on him and be compelled to create a whole new way of being fannish! He is JUST THAT AMAZING.

Seriously. I have never before felt like someone looked into my head and created the character I'd always wanted, the swirling vortex of my id.

Oh, SPOCK.

(And isn't it just like me to re-create the wheel fifty years on? But I cannot help it! Spock is, as you note, just one of those people you build civilizations for!)
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Lorraine: star trek: TOS ship by draculasheirlunabee34 on July 3rd, 2009 05:04 am (UTC)
Oh, like you've never wanted to see a vid to "Part of Your World" for Spock.

It's like you can see deep inside my heart. Deep, deep inside. LOL

tried to eat the safe banana: TFV flowersthefourthvine on July 3rd, 2009 05:49 am (UTC)
Anyone who says she doesn't want that is a LIAR. It would be so awesome!

(I also desperately want a Spock vid to Fuck the Pain Away. I CANNOT HELP IT, OKAY?)
(no subject) - lunabee34 on July 3rd, 2009 05:57 am (UTC) (Expand)
par avionpar_avion on July 3rd, 2009 05:07 am (UTC)
Yes, Enterprise is a whole other series, but it is mostly ignorable. :)

(I love your recs!)
lilacsigillilacsigil on July 3rd, 2009 05:46 am (UTC)
*fights for my Enterprise*

I loved some parts of it! Like most of Season 4! Andorians!
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Minim Calibreminim_calibre on July 3rd, 2009 05:10 am (UTC)
All you will really learn from Enterprise is that Vulcans have perky nipples.

(Really, how did that show go so wrong??? It is the only Trek show I was unable to watch for more than a season. And, man, the only reason I quit Voyager was that I moved somewhere with no cable and no TV reception.)
I have a mitten and a chicken puppet!: star trek omgtzikeh on July 3rd, 2009 05:41 am (UTC)
Really, how did that show go so wrong???

Right from the start, with the Diane Warren-penned, Russell Watson-sung theme song "Faith of the Heart." Nothing could recover from that.

Enterprise: the only show that managed to make Scott Bakula boring.
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Karen: A Softer Worldodditycollector on July 3rd, 2009 05:18 am (UTC)
I know lots of people read comic books
Are you among them? I know, random, but you may have mentioned in passing once or twice that you and tv are less than the bestest of friends, and suddenly I think, does this feud extend to *other* visual media? Fancomics seem to be okay, but so do *vids* and...

I was going to end on a zombie joke here, but the set up was getting longer than the question. Or maybe I am just checking the calibration of my long distance telepathy machine. We could still be friends if I let that slip, right?
tried to eat the safe banana: Batgirl in glassesthefourthvine on July 3rd, 2009 06:02 am (UTC)
Are you among them?

*laughs hollowly*

Let me tell you a story.

Once upon a time, there was a young, innocent girl, all alone for the first time in her life, off at college. And she fell into the clutches of a Bad Man who introduced her to comic books and AD&D. And she was never the same again. It was EXACTLY like those "by Anonymous" fake diaries about, like, heroin addiction and so on, except more tragic.

And since this Bad Man was an obsessive collector, the girl (young! innocent!) learned to keep her books in special sleeves in special white boxes. She learned the importance of buying every issue, even when the issue frankly sucked. She spent a lot of money.

And then she woke up one day and said, "Why does EVERYTHING have Wolverine in it? I don't even LIKE him!" (Note: the Bad Man was hugely dismissive of DC and openly mocked all adherents to same, so she was strictly a Marvel girl.) And then they canceled her favorite book. And her favorite character disappeared and then came back all different. And she went to a comic book shop to get stuff, and she couldn't get the people there to talk to her let alone set up a pull box for her - she had to bring the Bad Man with her, or she was totally invisible no matter how many times she asked for someone to take her money.

And somewhere in there, she wondered why she was doing this shit, and she stopped, and swore NEVER AGAIN. And now she only reads scans on the internet. (But she still has, like, five long boxes filled with god knows what somewhere.)
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I have a mitten and a chicken puppet!: star trek omgtzikeh on July 3rd, 2009 05:18 am (UTC)
"Okay, what is with this t'hy'la thing? It's in every story ever!" And she says, "I don't know." (Because she hasn't watched all the original Trek.

Well, it's not in TOS, per se, though since it comes from The Great Bird himself, most consider it canon (at least, all slashers do and many "Gene wrote it, so it's true" TOS fans). It is Vulcan for "friend" and/or "brother" and/or "lover." It comes from the novelization of Star Trek: The Motionless Motion Picture. The novelization was written *by* Roddenberry (hence the "might as well be canon" opinion of most fans). Spock thinks of Kirk as his t'hy'la as he is about to, well, sort of renounce his human half forever and join the Vulcan world as fully Vulcan.

The quote from the novel is Spock's thoughts:

"Jim! Goodbye, my...my t'hy'la. This is the last time I will permit myself to think of you or even your name again."

ETA: There is, of course, a footnote in which Roddenberry hedges his bets on the "lover" bit (by having *Kirk* comment on the rumors that he and Spock are/were lovers--it gets rather circular and meta-fictional and weird), but then one must ask, why include it as a possible definition of the word in the first place? You made it up, Gene....

Edited at 2009-07-03 05:25 am (UTC)
I have a mitten and a chicken puppet!: star trek omgtzikeh on July 3rd, 2009 05:39 am (UTC)
Addendum
Five series (with an asterisk):

Star Trek*
Star Trek: The Next Generation
Star Trek: Deep Space 9
Star Trek: Voyager
Enterprise (yes, it's just called "Enterprise," though at the beginning of season three it was renamed "Star Trek: Enterprise.") It's set ten years before the Federation is created. It had a soft-rock-cum-power-ballad theme song, and basically just flat-out sucked.

*Three live seasons, and one animated series that had 22 episodes.

Eleven movies:

The First Six: All TOS

Star Trek: The Motionless Motion Picture
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek V: Shat Happens The Final Frontier
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

The Seventh: TNG w/Kirk:

Star Trek: Generations

The Eighth, Ninth, and Tenth: All TNG:

Star Trek: First Contact
Star Trek: Insurrection
Star Trek: Nemesis

The Eleventh: TOS Alternate Timeline:

Star Trek (aka Star Trek: The Future Begins, aka Star Trek Zero, aka Star Trek XI)
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Risharishabree on July 3rd, 2009 05:23 am (UTC)
I'm not sure I'm emotionally prepared to cope with the thought of emo!Spock listening to Fall Out Boy.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV bluethefourthvine on July 3rd, 2009 06:11 am (UTC)
It makes perfect sense and you know it. He wears all black and gloomy colors for his civilian clothes - robes, even, sometimes. And you can't tell me he doesn't have eyeliner in his quarters.
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Loriel Eris: planets and moonsloriel_eris on July 3rd, 2009 05:39 am (UTC)
So. I was thinking about this the other day. I'm not in what one (I) would classify Star Trek fandom - I don't read fic, or meta, or discuss it with friends (on or off the internet), or watch it endlessly (in fact, I cannot tell you when I last saw an episode), in don't have a ST icon, I don't post about it on LJ, or basically any of the things you expect from a fan.

What Star Trek and I have far far surpasses what I'd call my being in the fandom. For me ST is one of those facts of life - the sky is blue, the sun will rise, Star Trek will be a part of me 'til the day I die. I mean, I was never as obsessive as a great number of the fans. I only own a fraction of the books (~250 apparently). I know a lot of the detail, but I've forgotten a lot more and never knew the majority of it.

But I do know that I while I don't (and doubt that I ever will) call myself part of Star Trek fandom, Star Trek is as integral to me/who I am as breathing is.

Star Trek just is.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV brownthefourthvine on July 3rd, 2009 06:16 am (UTC)
But I do know that I while I don't (and doubt that I ever will) call myself part of Star Trek fandom, Star Trek is as integral to me/who I am as breathing is.

Wow. That's incredibly sweet, and I'm slightly envious. Why must my relationship with television be so hostile? The only things that make up part of my soul are, like, certain books for kids.

Star Trek just is.

"Star Trek is" needs to be on an icon. *nods firmly*
the cold genius: the end of a perfect day by echosphereangevin2 on July 3rd, 2009 05:48 am (UTC)
She wanted to marry someone else, so she challenged Spock and picked Kirk as her champion - no, I don't know why, so don't ask

Oh, she explains that! Her rationale is that if Kirk won, he wouldn't want to marry her, so she could have the other guy. If Spock won, he either wouldn't want to marry her because she'd challenged him, in which case she could marry the other guy, or, alternately, if he married her anyway, he'd go off and do his thing in space and she could just sleep with the other guy behind Spock's back. As far as I can tell the usual fannish response to this is "...that bitch!" but I think it's kind of awesome nevertheless.

There's a Voyager (the second-crappiest spinoff) episode where a minor Vulcan character goes into pon farr and we learn that fights to the death are another way to work through it, but of course that's done by back-formation from "Amok Time" (Spock was okay without any non-subtextual sex), and of course the episode also suggests that PF is contagious. So, yeah.

(Also, since I am a Trekkie and the daughter of Trekkies, it is kind of hilarious and awesome to see everyone all atwitter about it suddenly. Of course, I also hold the rather minority view that Trek + sex = REALLY UNSEXY -- possibly through affiliation with my parents, I dunno -- so it's also kind of weird.)

Edited at 2009-07-03 05:50 am (UTC)
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV dogtagsthefourthvine on July 3rd, 2009 06:18 am (UTC)
All I can say is that Kirk must have a powerful trouble magnet attached to his belt.

of course the episode also suggests that PF is contagious.

But wouldn't that lead to, like, a whole planet full of rutting Vulcans?

I cannot believe I even TYPED THAT SENTENCE. I - I need to go think about my sins now.
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lilacsigil: uhuralilacsigil on July 3rd, 2009 05:48 am (UTC)
Don't listen to them about Enterprise! It's the latest of the TV series and it...had some good bits. I got into the fandom by reading the novels (not much TV out in the wilds of Australia, and we didn't have a VCR) so when I actually saw the show after reading 70+ books, it was quite a surprise, especially the sexism!
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV flowersthefourthvine on July 3rd, 2009 06:19 am (UTC)
I am totally listening to them about Enterprise, are you kidding? LOOK AT ALL THIS CANON. Anything I can strike from my mental list is BEING STRICKEN, let me tell you.
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the opposite of batmanpearl_o on July 3rd, 2009 05:52 am (UTC)
And I think we all know that a sad Vulcan (grimly repressing all signs of sadness and pretending that it is totally logical to lie on his bed and listen to Fall Out Boy all day) is the very saddest thing of all.

That is one of the most beautiful things I have ever read.
when regiment is gone: ST: TOS Spock standingkindkit on July 3rd, 2009 06:15 am (UTC)
Judging by "The Naked Time," Spock is the emo-est of emo boys at heart. He just hides it with great determination.
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Mz. B. Stonemz_bstone on July 3rd, 2009 05:55 am (UTC)
Yeah, first time I saw it my spouse leaned over and said: "Umm. He doesn't look that unhappy to be choked?"

*g*

Most excellent. Thanks for the rec.

You know, Crysothemis has a Poker Face vid for John Sheppard. I guess it's the song for guys with pointy ears and odd hair...

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I have a mitten and a chicken puppet!: star trek omgtzikeh on July 3rd, 2009 06:11 am (UTC)
One of the things I love about the Alternate Series (movie? whatever)
Is that you can totally go Kirk/Spock in TOS and be all Spock/Uhura in AOS. (Which also means more Kirk/McCoy for me!!)

As for looking for icons, I can't recommend communities or whatever, but I can tell you that hanging out in ontd_startrek brings me giddy stupid hilarity every single day (seriously, I get home from being forty and sit down to be twelve), and AMPLE icons in use by members who are only too happy to share.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV bluethefourthvine on July 3rd, 2009 06:35 am (UTC)
Re: One of the things I love about the Alternate Series (movie? whatever)
Is that you can totally go Kirk/Spock in TOS and be all Spock/Uhura in AOS.

I WANT EVERYONE TO LOVE SPOCK ALL THE TIME. Who could be happy without a Spock? *crazed eyes of pure, pure fannishness*

(Which also means more Kirk/McCoy for me!!)

But do you see what's wrong with that? NO SPOCK, THAT'S WHAT.

Oh, fine. You can have your perversions. Just means we sane people get Spock to ourselves. *magnanimous*

I can tell you that hanging out in ontd_startrek brings me giddy stupid hilarity every single day

Don't tempt me! I have a cosleeping baby who cries when I sit at the computer. I don't have time right now! And that's a very time-intensive community.

*yearns*
Trepkos: Trust by Darkinnocenttrepkos on July 3rd, 2009 07:06 am (UTC)
It brought a smile to my face to see that Star Trek fans - especially Spock fans - are still being made!
I just read a story with a lot of Spock in it - Bitter Glass by Killa.
Virtually no actually sex in it but shedloads of angst, and it does have a happy ending.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV dogtagsthefourthvine on July 3rd, 2009 07:35 am (UTC)
Wherever there is Spock, there will be new (and vintage) Spock fans. HE IS JUST THAT AWESOME. (He drives me to all caps a lot, too. I can't help it!)

I just read a story with a lot of Spock in it - Bitter Glass by Killa.

Oooo. I've been kind of hesitating to launch into original Trek stories, mostly because if you want to talk about being overwhelmed, well, the back library for this fandom would be an excellent demonstration. Recs are very helpful with the drink-from-the-firehose sensation!

Edited at 2009-07-03 07:35 am (UTC)
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