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19 June 2010 @ 09:48 pm
Wife.  
Best Beloved and I have been together for 18 years. At first, I said I wouldn't say I was a wife, or that I had a wife, until I could have a legal marriage. And then I had a legal marriage (obtained during the brief period when marriage was possible for us in California), and I still hesitated to say "wife," largely because if I made a list of my 2,000 favorite words, neither husband nor wife would be on it. I just don't like them. But, you know, it's important for me to say it, all the same. We're married, and there are a lot of Californians who can't get married, and there are other Californians who'd like to take our marriage away from us. It matters that people hear me talk about my wife; it helps them understand that my marriage is just the same as anyone else's. It helps them define my marriage as normal, not society-destroying or child-harming or boils-inducing or whatever the latest claim is.

I also get a certain amount of evil pleasure out of the word. (This is in addition to the regular, ordinary, non-evil pleasure, of course.) In my neighborhood, we are beset by many types of door-to-door people - magazine subscription sellers (my absolute least favorite), "fundraisers" who never seem to have the card they are legally obligated to carry to raise funds door-to-door in my county, appointment schedulers, sellers of various products and services of dubious usefulness.

And these people are very, very good at dragging out a conversation I don’t want to have; basically, I would have to slam the door in their faces in order to get away from the pitch. So I take joy in the following conversation, which always happens:

Door-to-Door Guy [yes, they are always men]: So, you and your husband -
Me: Wife.
Door-to-Door Guy: *blink blink*
Me, in a helpful, explaining tone: I don't have a husband, I have a wife.
Door-to-Door Guy: *assumes the expression of a dog who has just run at top speed into a sliding glass door he didn't know was there*

[There is a pause of variable length as Door-to-Door Guy scrabbles back onto familiar ground. Familiar ground is, of course, agree with the potential customer.]

Door-to-Door Guy, blinking off his tharn: That's cool!

[Door-to-Door Guy inevitably embarks on a lengthy speech about his sincere belief in equal rights, sometimes only slightly undermined by such remarks as, "Can you do that? I mean, like, legally?" or "But you're not really married, right?" My favorite was probably, "But have you tried it with a guy?"]

I actually award points to the Guys based on how fast they recover and how believable their sudden declaration of Equal Rights for All is. I expect a speedy recovery and decent acting skills in exchange for my wasted time, I tell you what.

But my point is, wife is my word. I choose to use it. I make other people use it, and sometimes I deliberately make them uncomfortable with it.

Other people avoid it. They aren't sure what to say, so they come up with a weasel word ("friend" is my least favorite of those; it never fails to make me want to say, "Actually, I prefer 'fucktoy'"), or they avoid the whole thing, or they pretend I have some other relationship that makes them more comfortable than the one I actually have. I am used to hearing people say, "So she's your roommate?" or, "She's your, um, um, mmmmm?" or, "Well, I don't have a way to put that into the computer, so can we just say she's your sister?" (True statements all!)

There have been improvements, of course. Years ago, I used to spend a lot of time patiently scratching out "husband" on forms. These days, actually, the forms mostly fit our family fairly well. We were Parent 1 and Parent 2 on the earthling's preschool forms this year (except on the one mandated by the state, where we were father and mother), and we're mostly Parent 1 and Parent 2 everywhere. But the people taking the forms are often kind of puzzled. The best we can generally hope for is something like our recent conversation with the lady who comes by your house when you forget to send in your census form (whoops), which went like this:

Census Lady: Okay, so you're - um, you're going to have to help me pick the right one, here, because they didn't cover this in my training and I haven't had another couple like you so far, so - what do you want to be called?
Me: Married. We're legally married.
Census Lady, selecting the appropriate box: Oh, that's wonderful! Okay. Married. So, what is your relationship to the child, [earthling]? [This is the price you pay for forgetting to mail the form, fellow US citizens: you have to answer these questions after they are carefully read to you by someone trained to be very, very clear about each one. Best just to send the thing in, really.]

My point is, usually there is a disconnect somewhere. The Census Lady had no actual problems with married lesbians, but obviously it was not something even considered by the people who trained her (or the people who trained the people who trained those people, or the people who designed the trainings, or the people who signed off on them, or any of the other many people involved, and this is the federal government so I'm guessing it was a lot of them). The person who wanted to make Best Beloved my sister was personally clueless, although it turned out her computer was not - it was happy to accept wife and wife.

But that is not what I wanted to talk about, actually.

Recently, we had another insurance snafu, compounded by an unfortunate phone fail on my part, which resulted in the earthling and me showing up for his speech therapy appointment only to be told that we could not have it, as his re-approval is still pending. (No, we could not just pay that one session. As mandated by our insurance, the earthling has speech therapy in the outpatient rehab department of a hospital, and while the medical professionals at that hospital rock, the billing department does whatever the opposite of rocking is, to the extent that Best Beloved used to have to call them up and beg them, beg them, to tell us what we owed them in copays, or, alternately, to accept a check that wasn't for precisely what we owed, applying it to the balance or carrying it forward. Neither of these things ever happened, by the way. After many useless phone calls, we'd send a check and get it back a week later with a sticky note on it saying it wasn't for the amount owed, but they still wouldn't tell us how much that was. We eventually gave up pleading with them to let us give them some money, and now assume they will let us know how much they want if they actually do want any. So, you know, these people cannot do accounting for copays; they surely cannot cope with the financial exigencies of self pay.)

Anyway. The person who manages the appointments and also the insurance stuff called me over and said, "I called and left a message on your home phone. I wanted to call your cell, but I don't know your name, so I didn't know which of these numbers were yours, and I didn't want to risk calling your wife and maybe bothering her at work."

Under normal circumstances, I would have fixated on the part where she assumed that our son's medical care would be less important to Best Beloved than two minutes of her working day, but I didn't even think about that until we were back in the car, because: wife. The officer manager (who, by the way, is married to a man, and wears a cross every day, and who has two or three kids and is pregnant with another) said it like she says it all day long, like it was every bit as normal for me to have a wife as it is for her to have a husband. And, like I said, I have been with Best Beloved for 18 years and officially and legally (at least for now, please don't fuck up again, state of California) married to her for almost two years, but no one has ever called her my wife before without me forcing the issue.

For the first time ever, there was no disconnect anywhere. The insurance manager looked at our form, saw two female names for Parent 1 and Parent 2, and thought, I have no idea which wife is the one I see every week. Crap. I'd better figure that out. And when she was talking to me, she called Best Beloved my wife.

Which she is. But it has taken half my life to hear that from someone's mouth naturally and totally unprompted. Two days later, I am still blinking in surprise.

It was, I'm not going to lie, awesome. Maybe not entirely worth the wait, but awesome all the same.

And it even made me like the word "wife."

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Merlin Missy: Kara and Ivy (small)mtgat on June 20th, 2010 04:58 am (UTC)
:D That is pretty damned awesome.
tried to eat the safe banana: Superwomanthefourthvine on June 20th, 2010 07:15 pm (UTC)
Indeed it is!
spiffikinsspiffikins on June 20th, 2010 05:01 am (UTC)
yay for clueful people!

and, personally, I think "wife" is awesome - I have several heterosexual couples that I know, that have been together for decades, and aren't married - and I get all tongue tied at how to refer to their other half in general conversation - "girlfriend" just doesn't seem right, after 20 years and 2 kids together :D

joycejoyce on June 20th, 2010 12:57 pm (UTC)
My hackles used to go up when someone called my honey my husband (almost 7 years, 3 cats, one mother-in-law, one house, no kids, no legalities), but I've mellowed a lot. I still don't use the word myself, but if someone else is going to make that assumption, I've gotten used to it. Because, you're right, girlfriend and boyfriend is kind of silly at this point. :)
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keerawakeerawa on June 20th, 2010 05:08 am (UTC)
My favorite was probably, "But have you tried it with a guy?"

2 steps forward, 1 step back, but I like to think things are ever so slowly getting better. YAY!
Denise Raymond: barneyrattlecatcher on June 20th, 2010 05:31 am (UTC)
My favorite was probably, "But have you tried it with a guy?"

2 steps forward, 1 step back, but I like to think things are ever so slowly getting better. YAY!
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And also, that that's one salesman who didn't close any deal... ;)
(no subject) - thefourthvine on June 20th, 2010 08:43 pm (UTC) (Expand)
when regiment is gone: Queer historykindkit on June 20th, 2010 05:12 am (UTC)
Census
I'm sorry, but not surprised, that you had a bad experience with the Census enumerator. I worked as one myself this year, and there was a very troublesome disjuncture between what the Census Bureau was telling the LGBT community on the one hand and, on the other, the way it was training its employees.

When I was being trained, somebody in the group asked what to do if someone identified a person of the same sex as their spouse. And the trainer said, "Oh, no, don't check 'spouse,' that's not legally recognized in our state, check 'unmarried partner.'"

At the end of the day I told the trainer I thought that was incorrect (not just morally wrong, but actually contrary to Census Bureau policy) and asked him to find out. And that night I myself checked the Census website, where I discovered that the Census specifically asks same-sex couples who consider themselves married, even if their marriage is not legally recognized where they live, to describe themselves as married.

So it all got cleared up in my training session. But if I hadn't had a vague memory of reading about the policy, and then been insistent with the trainer about it, a whole group would've gone out thinking, like the person who came to your door, that they weren't allowed to check "married" for same-sex couples.

I don't think my trainer was acting maliciously. I think he'd just been badly trained himself, because the policy wasn't seen as a sufficiently high priority to warrant the time. Which is appalling.
Zigismunda formosamelannen on June 20th, 2010 06:31 am (UTC)
Re: Census
I got the impression that my trainer hadn't actually been trained - that the trainers were walked through the same thing they gave us, and that was it. They didn't know any more than us.

If you asked my CL/trainer any questions that weren't in the book (and some that were) she either got it wrong or had to ask her supervisor. If she'd been someone who was more likely to fake knowing the answer than admit she didn't, we could have come out with all sorts of wrong info.
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lightning rod for criticism: yellowannakovsky on June 20th, 2010 05:15 am (UTC)
My favorite was probably, "But have you tried it with a guy?"

Oh dear God.

Man. I'm so bummed by most of this entry but it's so awesome this woman actually said "wife" so naturally.
Insane_duckfishinsane_duckfish on June 20th, 2010 12:02 pm (UTC)
I know! Oh my god, like, I know people get asked this (I never have been, but it's on all the bingo cards), it's not that I can't believe someone said it, but... a door-to-door salesman? REALLY? A stranger knocked on your door and asked you if you had ever tried sex with a guy? I just... THE MIND, IT BOGGLES!
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shadow and mirrormollya on June 20th, 2010 05:18 am (UTC)
We had a wedding - religious, not legal - 13 years ago, when the idea that it might someday be legal wasn't even on our radar. We started saying "wife" then to be in-your-face about it, even though it made me uncomfortable to say "wife." I am still uncomfortable saying it sometimes, 13 years and a legal marriage later.
the pirate queen of norwayashkitty on June 20th, 2010 10:34 am (UTC)
Yeah, two of my boy friends have been married to each other (religious, not legal, as well) for 9 years now, and they started saying 'husband' right away, along with the legal name changes and stupidly but necessarily complex legal contract. To close friends, they tend to just refer to each other as 'the Boy' the way thefourthvine here says Best Beloved, but it's always 'husband' out amongst other people.

I've never liked the word (or any word, honestly, that implied I was a Grown Up Woman), but I think if I married another woman I'd stick with using it, too. ;) Single, probably perpetually, so it's a moot point.

Words are v loaded, aren't they?
(no subject) - thefourthvine on June 20th, 2010 08:55 pm (UTC) (Expand)
emma_in_oz: Billabongemma_in_oz on June 20th, 2010 05:24 am (UTC)
That is so lovely, so heart warming.

tried to eat the safe banana: Superwomanthefourthvine on June 20th, 2010 08:55 pm (UTC)
It really was. Look, Emma! Change is happening!
Denise Raymondrattlecatcher on June 20th, 2010 05:34 am (UTC)
Whew! I was steeling myself for a story that would make me blind with kill kill kill!

Instead, just lovely.

And to quote one of my own stories (yes, my ego is just that big):


"I get coffee at the place across from the plant," he said. "Nice girl. Italian, from way down on the boot. Always has new pictures of her kids and her - what's the word... domestic partner. You like that? Do guys say that about each other, domestic partner?"
"I like husband," Ray, my Ray, said. His voice was raspy. He seemed to be back in our world. "I already had a wife. Benton gets a husband, I get a husband."
spiffikinsspiffikins on June 20th, 2010 06:55 am (UTC)
okay now on the basis of that snippet, you *must* provide a link to the full story :)

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Korey: spirk marriagedancinguniverse on June 20th, 2010 05:42 am (UTC)
That lady in your story makes me really happy.

I tend to use the word partner myself, when not given a different word by someone. I think it was being raised along the feminist line that the word wife is infused with patriarchal blah blah blah, it's important to some people, but wife is just... normal in the good way, a lot of times. Partner has a tendency to sound clinical to me, whereas wife just sounds well worn and obvious. I don't know. I hear both sides, on the word choice. But sister, roommate, and friend all suck. Not even remotely the same. Here's to more people seeing what's right in front of them.

tried to eat the safe banana: Superwomanthefourthvine on June 20th, 2010 09:38 pm (UTC)
wife is just... normal in the good way, a lot of times

See, yeah, that's why I'm making myself use it. Wife is not my favorite word, not at all, but it is normal. Partner sort of emphasizes difference; wife makes me like everyone else.
AO+uncacreamy on June 20th, 2010 05:46 am (UTC)
This made my week.
tried to eat the safe banana: Superwomanthefourthvine on June 20th, 2010 09:40 pm (UTC)
Made mine, too. *g*
kudrakudra2324 on June 20th, 2010 05:53 am (UTC)
this made me tear up. thanks :).
tried to eat the safe banana: Superwomanthefourthvine on June 20th, 2010 09:41 pm (UTC)
Thank you! It was an awesome experience, I tell you what.
cranberryink: 0: bill & ted excellentcranberryink on June 20th, 2010 06:07 am (UTC)
This is totally an awesome story. It is going into my personal file of positive queer experiences related to me by others. It might even top the one of my college friend who came out to his Italian Catholic parents from Louisiana and they completely embraced and accepted him without hesitation. ♥

I make other people use it, and sometimes I deliberately make them uncomfortable with it.

Also, this. This makes me love you a lot. Because I would do the exact same thing.
tried to eat the safe banana: Superwomanthefourthvine on June 20th, 2010 09:43 pm (UTC)
It might even top the one of my college friend who came out to his Italian Catholic parents from Louisiana and they completely embraced and accepted him without hesitation. ♥


Awwwww. Yay parents prepared to acknowledge a positive outcome!

Also, this. This makes me love you a lot. Because I would do the exact same thing.

Well, of course! If people are going to HAND me that opportunity, I have no choice but to use it, right? IT IS A MANDATE FROM ABOVE.
(no subject) - lizey on June 21st, 2010 04:52 am (UTC) (Expand)
Spectacles H. Decolonizinglolaraincoat on June 20th, 2010 06:08 am (UTC)
This made me teary, too.

I never wanted to be a wife, either, it's never been a happy word for me, and for that and several other reasons, have not legally married my partner. It turns out in Canada we're common-law married anyway, and that's what one says here in filling out the forms or talking to the census-taker or whatever: oh, we're common-law partners. The only time that's ever been a problem is talking to US border people, who are very insistent sometimes that you're not a family member if you're not married (as one of them put it while sending my partner to the back of the line after waving me through.) It seems very old-fashioned to object to a man and a woman living in sin, but apparently even that remains an issue for some of the Homeland Security folks.

The arc of history bends toward justice, but it sometimes jiggles a little on the way there, you know?
starfishchick on June 20th, 2010 03:46 pm (UTC)
My common-law spouse (a man) and I (a woman) always ask before we go through at the airport if they want us to go together or separate ... explaining that we are travelling together and common-law but not married and have different last names. Usually they say together but not always. (The last name thing is because US forms often have one space for FAMILY NAME and then spaces for first names - Canadian forms have spaces for each person's individual name.)
(no subject) - thefourthvine on June 21st, 2010 03:52 am (UTC) (Expand)
kungfunursekungfunurse on June 20th, 2010 06:11 am (UTC)
Awwwwww. Here in the the chilly north of Minnesota, I'll likely never have a legal wife. But I'm hoping someday to be able to call my girlfriend my wife and have all my friends happily accept and return the favor.
tried to eat the safe banana: Superwomanthefourthvine on June 21st, 2010 04:08 am (UTC)
Oh, I hope you will. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, because - seriously, when BB and I got together, I didn't think we'd ever be able to get legally married, and sixteen years later, we were! May sanity on this subject come to Minnesota soon.

And I'm hoping that while we wait for official sanity, informal interpersonal sanity will soon be the order of the day. *g*
Her Head Exploded! How Cool Is That?: Adam being subtlezee on June 20th, 2010 06:14 am (UTC)
This is so, so very much not the point of your post, but I was just reading comments written by this hateful, angry little woman who describes herself as a True Christian, and my shoulders were around my ears and my head was pounding and I was getting crazy-eyed with wrath. I switched tabs, seal-clapped upon seeing your new post, started in and quickly felt my shoulders creeping up again in dread.

I'm a straight advocate for gay rights, and I have been since I was a kid, raised in the theatre by hippies and drag queens. I'm also Christian, raised lovingly in the foot-washing, river-dunking, born-again tradition. There's no clash there, for me; but I live in absolute dread of people who share my faith behaving like ignorant, hateful asshats. I'm lookin' at you, Tea Party. ANYWAY, my POINT is that I'm glad you were treated the way you should always be treated.
Her Head Exploded! How Cool Is That?zee on June 20th, 2010 06:24 am (UTC)
(Because otherwise my head would have just given up and gone kaboom. *hugs to you and BB and the Earthling*)
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motive_searcher on June 20th, 2010 06:17 am (UTC)
I envy you. I so much envy you.
And so happy about you. Both of you)
tried to eat the safe banana: Superwomanthefourthvine on June 21st, 2010 04:17 am (UTC)
It's awesome, and I hope you can experience the same!
Oceana: Doctor Who Rose smileoceana_ on June 20th, 2010 06:19 am (UTC)
While the first stories make me go "Seriously? He said WHAT?" and generally make me want to bang my head against the wall, the last one almost makes me want to get married. :-)

Though, I can't really get married over here. I mean, we have this thing called "Registered Partnerhship" that gives couples the same rights as a marriage (well, almost the same, but everyone just pretends that they are the same *gets mad*), which I think is a ton of crap, because why make a difference? Why not call it marriage if it's supposed to be the same?

Until today though, I have never wondered if I could call my "registered partner" my "wife", but I guess it wouldn't really be the legally correct term. I'd probably have to say "my registered partner" on official forms. *gets mad at stupid legislator*
Then again, at least the registered partnerhsip legislation made sure that there IS a way to (almost) get married AND get included on government forms, so it is an improvement.

*sends hugs to you and the earthling and you best beloved wife *g* *
tried to eat the safe banana: Superwomanthefourthvine on June 21st, 2010 04:22 am (UTC)
I mean, we have this thing called "Registered Partnerhship" that gives couples the same rights as a marriage (well, almost the same, but everyone just pretends that they are the same *gets mad*), which I think is a ton of crap, because why make a difference? Why not call it marriage if it's supposed to be the same?

I hear you. Before we were legally married, we had a legal domestic partnership (which we had to dissolve when we got married - a joyous extra step, but at least they made it easy), and even though we had it and were glad to have it, it still felt a little cheap. And it really almost emphasized that we were not Real People in the eyes of the government.

*sends hugs right back*
Lu (Not Your Average Retelling)elucreh on June 20th, 2010 06:36 am (UTC)
That is an awesome story to hear today.

THANK YOU for telling it.
tried to eat the safe banana: Superwomanthefourthvine on June 21st, 2010 04:23 am (UTC)
Thank you for being happy right along with me.
jamjarjamjar on June 20th, 2010 06:50 am (UTC)
When trying to get home & contents insurance on the flat, it was very hard to convince the price comparison websites that platonic flatmate and I are not, in fact, in a romantic relationship.

tried to eat the safe banana: Superwomanthefourthvine on June 21st, 2010 04:29 am (UTC)
They should just have tickyboxes!

Are you:

Fucking?
Having romantic events?
Going into major debt together?
Almost always together on major holidays?
Mutually raising a child or pet?
Planning on still being together in twenty years?
In each other's wills?
Buying all your major purchases together?
Taking care of each other when revoltingly sick?

And if you tick at least five boxes, you get the married rate. (Or whatever it is that means that insurers need to know your relationship status.) Of course, I know platonic roommates who could tick four of these boxes, but I also believe that they should get the married rate, if it's lower.
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Olna Jenndormouse_in_tea on June 20th, 2010 07:05 am (UTC)
I am so glad you had that experience. May you have it so much more that it becomes old hat.
tried to eat the safe banana: Superwomanthefourthvine on June 21st, 2010 04:32 am (UTC)
May you have it so much more that it becomes old hat.

I tell you what, I want so much to be able to tell this story to the earthling in ten or fifteen years and have him roll his eyes at me because he is totally unable to understand how this could ever have been a big deal.
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Little Heaven: Friends Made Of Awesome by phaust_iconslittleheaven70 on June 20th, 2010 08:27 am (UTC)
Aw, that's so cool! In New Zealand gay marriage is not legal but civil unions are, which give people all the same legal situations that marriage does. Which means the word "partner" tends to be the default word to describe any relationship that's not a married heterosexual couple. I find it a bit sterile, to be honest.
lilacsigillilacsigil on June 20th, 2010 08:42 am (UTC)
In Australia, same-sex couples can't get married, but de facto same-sex couples and de facto opposite-sex couples have the same rights (which is, everything that married couples have except in the areas of adoption and IVF). So "partner" is the default word for everyone under 40 in a relationship, pretty much.
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Fleur Rochard: happyfleurrochard on June 20th, 2010 08:38 am (UTC)
Ok, you just made me tear up. :) (In a good way, I mean!)
tried to eat the safe banana: Superwomanthefourthvine on June 21st, 2010 04:36 am (UTC)
Awwww. I will join you in your happy sniffles!
agehanokoisexybee on June 20th, 2010 08:58 am (UTC)
Yay! Stories like that remind me that people can be awesome, even if a lot of them unfortunately are not.

The talk of terminology has me wondering though, does anyone use the word lover any more, in a non-adulterous manner? Has it become irrevocably tainted?
tried to eat the safe banana: Superwomanthefourthvine on June 21st, 2010 04:43 am (UTC)
So true: sometimes people are just awesome.

And, hmmm. I don't think I've heard anyone use lover to denote a committed, long-term, monogamous or polygamous with everyone's consent relationship. I don't just mean recently - I mean ever.

So I guess the answer is that probably people do, but not the people around me. *g*
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AQ aka Syredronning: lady_by_cimorenesyredronning on June 20th, 2010 09:12 am (UTC)
Wonderful posting, and the ending is happy and hopeful :)

You know, this is actually a must-read to all those straight people who think that lesbians and gays are oh-so-accepted and normal today that they don't have any problems at all left :/
tried to eat the safe banana: Superwomanthefourthvine on June 21st, 2010 04:46 am (UTC)
You know, this is actually a must-read to all those straight people who think that lesbians and gays are oh-so-accepted and normal today that they don't have any problems at all left :/

I remember in college I worked as a mediator, and one of the social workers was this great person who was a very vocal advocate for the rights of Hispanics, especially immigrants. But she was stunned to hear that I could not legally marry Best Beloved; she was a campaigner for social justice, but she knew nothing about the status of gays and lesbians. To her credit, she did some research right away, but, yeah - I think a lot of straight people do that, just assume that now that we're no longer listed in the DSM, gay people are all fixed up.
the girl with the cow-eyes: hetken tässä [by walkingshadow]leksa on June 20th, 2010 09:40 am (UTC)
This made my heart feel funny. Thank you for sharing.
tried to eat the safe banana: Superwomanthefourthvine on June 21st, 2010 04:46 am (UTC)
Thank you! (I hope it was the good kind of funny feeling. *g*)