23 August 2006 @ 06:58 pm
Recommending Vids: The How, the What, the Why, and the Threats of Whining  
Okay. Here's the deal. Y'all had plenty of vids to rec to me when I asked in the poll, and I was impressed and joyful. And now I want you to rec that same vid (or, hey, an entirely different one) to your friends list, who will likely also be joyful. It's important to me, and I plan to be difficult and obstreperous about it, but I'm also providing this handy guide. So there's a carrot and a stick, here. (Carrot: the handy guide and my eternal love. Stick: pouting.)

This is a basic recommendation: "I liked this. [link to vid announcement]"

That's all you do. You post to your LJ or other fandom-associated location. You say: "Hey! This vid is good!" And you provide a link.

But, okay, I understand only too well how hard it is to say nothing but that when you rec; I've never managed it with anything ever.

You can also say lots of other stuff - what you liked specifically, who it might appeal to, why you think it appealed to you. You can say what fandom it's in, what the song is, who the characters are, what the point of it is. The world is your oyster. You can type four words ("Jack hot. Panties wet.") or you can type until the post limit runs out ("And I think the crucial symbolism here is found within the overall color scheme, or, more specifically, the color scheme's progression from red to green, thus revealing the manner in which the relationship..."). Your choice. Whatever comes naturally to you, really. (If the latter comes naturally to you, I am so nicknaming you the Professor. Or maybe Doc.)

So. Are you convinced? Are you ready to rec? Then you can skip all the rest of this, though you may wish to check out the list of vidders who basically volunteered to be meat for recommending purposes (provided said meat was treated with basic fannish good manners).

If you have objections, though - in short, if you are not going to go right out and rec like a good little carrot-fixated bunny, thus averting what will be, I promise you, a terrible case of pouting on my part - read on. (And if you don't find your objection covered here, let me know. I am happy to add to this list pretty much eternally. I want everyone to rec at least one vid, people. I am very very committed to this concept. Also, I am stubborn. Best just to state your objections clearly so we can get them out of the way.)

"I don't know what to say."

I said this myself for quite a long time. Because vidders have special terminology, right? They have, like, all special words and secret chants and mystic prunes1 and they will mock you ceaselessly and mercilessly if you use even one single intonation incorrectly, right?

Wrong, actually. There is indeed some technical jargon that vidders know. Much of it relates to specific programs. (Although, frankly, from what I've seen, that is often more obscene than mystical, all: "You evil fuckware, I do everything you want, everything, and now you won't fucking load? Give me vid or I kill with FIRE, you binary Satan that the damned call Premiere!") Some of it is from the film industry and can be learned from any film school. Or book. Or documentary.

But here's the thing: You don't need to know that stuff. (You'd better not need to, because I sure don’t.) Vidders will know what you're talking about no matter what term you use, and are actually more likely to get descriptive terms ("Camera goes swirly! Watcher goes YAY!") than technical ones, since mostly they didn't go film school, either.

More importantly, your readers, your actual recs users, will almost all be non-vidders. They don't need to know about the camera going swirly, no matter what you call it, and they probably don't know the right term for that anyway. For them, you focus on the watcher going YAY. That's what they need to know.

So don't bother with the detailed critique of vidding technique. (Unless you just want to, in which case it's a review, not a rec.) You wouldn't do it for fan fiction you recommended, either. Talk about how the vid made you feel or what it made you think. Mentioning the swirliness of the camera is totally optional.

"I don't watch a lot of vids."

Okay. But how about a vid? Have you seen a vid? Good. Did you like it? Excellent. (In all fairness, I have to warn you that the ratio of watched:liked will not continue at 1:1 forever. Appreciate it while you've got it.)

So where's the problem? You don't need to be an expert in all of vidding to rec vids; I am the living, breathing, recommending proof of that. I started recommending vids when I understood absolutely nothing about them, and I have progressed all the way to not knowing much, but knowing what I like. Do I let this stand in my way? I do not. Do I look like an idiot some of the time? Almost certainly. But you know what? I would anyway; it's my gift. And, you know, I've been called an idiot for recommending various stories, but no one has ever said anything nasty to me because I recommended a specific vid, or vids in general.

And, let me remind you - most of you had at least one vid to rec to me in the poll. (And may I just say, you people have excellent taste.) Why not rec it in your LJ, too?

"But if I haven't seen a lot of vids, how do I know I'll always like it?"

Maybe you won't always like the vid you like right now. So what? If you like it, odds are good that most of your friends list will, too - after all, they generally share some of your interests or tastes or they wouldn't be your friends list. So tell them about it. Later, if you decide it sucks, you can look back all ironically and marvel at your naiveté. You can even wear a beret. It'll be bags of fun.

"But why bother?"

Well, because it's a nice thing to do for your friends. It's hard to find recs of vids that match a specific interest; vid recommending is much more in its infancy than fan fiction recommending. So if you find a good vid, letting everyone else know it's good - that's nice.

And, hey, it's content. Are you telling me you don't occasionally veer into the toenails, GIPs, and pictures of cats type of LJing? Well, here's something to reward your readers for giving you advice about that toenail fungus. (Note: To the best of my knowledge, no one on my friends list actually has a toenail fungus. My friends list is 92% fungus-free. That's just a general remark, because even if someone did have a fungus, I would likely suppress that knowledge.)

And it's a nice thing to do for vidders, to let the world know they did something cool. (That goes double if you encourage your friends list to leave feedback for the vidder.)

And it's important. Because, okay, perhaps you have the fastest internet connection in the world and a million billion trillion gigabytes of hard drive space, but not everyone does; they can only download so many. How do people know which vids are worth downloading and which aren't? Recommendations. If you took the trouble to download it, you might as well let that effort pay off for your friends. And how do people who are new to watching vids know where to start? Yup, that's right: Recommendations.

"But I don't recommend stuff."

You don't have to be a formal recommender, with a recs journal and an obsessive organization scheme and a backlog of stuff to rec, in order to provide the occasional link to an excellent story or vid or piece of art. It's part of what we all do in fandom - we link our friends to stuff we liked.

(Yes, some of us do it more than others. We have a disease. It's very tragic and sad. But I don't think you can catch our Recommending Obsessively Disorder through casual recommending. You can't even catch it by being around those who have it, for which thank god, or we'd be forced to ring bells to warn people we were coming. It's just, you know, something that some of us were born with. We try not to let it get us down.)

"But vidders are scary."

I totally acknowledge this. It's the mystic prunes, I think. It makes them special and different and weird and smelly.

Also, I hear they sacrifice kittens.

No. Look. They are fans, just like everyone else in these parts. Some of them are probably jerks, although not any of the ones I've talked to. Many of them are very nice. Most of them are forgetful and overcommitted and totally convinced that certain people are So Doing It. They squee and flail and headdesk regularly. See? Just like the rest of us.

Some of them will even share their mystic prunes if you ask nicely.

"I don't know who did the vid I love, so I can't figure out where the vid announcement is."

Allow me to direct you to the brand-spanking-new community vidfinders, which is for "Have you seen this vid?" type posts. norah recently asked for vid recs, and loads of people rec'd vids without credits, so they knew only the source and the song. Every one of those was rapidly identified by someone else reading the comments. Lost and unattributed vids can be found.

"But my friends list is very small and they've already seen everything I have. I mean, I've only seen the really well-known stuff, anyway."

They have not. Truly. I know it seems that way, but, honestly. There is a fangirl somewhere out there who has not seen Boom Boom Ba (by charmax) or Failed Experiments in Video Editing (by E.K.) or Heart of Funkness (by absolutedestiny) or Hello (by merryish) or Holding out for a Hero (by marycrawford) or Jolene (by z_rayne) or Loaded Gun (by gwyn_r) or Moving Right Along (by sdwolfpup) or Pretty When You Cry (by lierdumoa) or Take Me Out (by barkley and destina) or Whatever (by the extremely holy duo of sockkpuppett and sisabet). Odds are good that you can reach that poor fangirl simply by posting a link. Won't you help her out? (Picture a waif, here. With big ol' sad eyes. Staring pathetically at an empty computer screen. Or maybe a puppy staring pathetically at an empty food dish. Whatever gets the guilt flowing.)

Also, recs have a cumulative effect. Somebody might say, upon first seeing a rec, "Oh god no I am not watching an Apocalypse Now vid set to disco. I still have some sanity left to me, and by god, I treasure it." After two or three recs, that person might very well break down and see the Apocalypse Now vid set to disco (Heart of Funkness, linked above, and "Apocalypse Now set to disco" works as both warning and summary for it), and fandom will have brought the crazy (the good crazy) to one more soul.

It makes you feel all warm and happy inside, doesn't it? And you can be part of this glorious fannish cycle.

"But it's work!"

This was my objection until very recently. But now that we know we have Freedom to Rec, vid recommending is as simple as making a link and typing some words. Are you seriously telling me you weren't going to do that anyway at some point this month? Or this year, even? So make one of them a rec. One. Pretty please?

Otherwise, there could well be whining. Or pining, even. From me.

You won't like me when I'm pining, people.

The List


These vidders give permission for anyone to link to their public vid announcements. Do not link directly to their files. Also, as a general rule, when you're linking to or recommending vids, be a good person and a good fan.

So. Don't share these with people associated with the source (and actors do count), don't share them outside of the general sphere of fandom (MetaFilter, TWOP, etc.), don't (for the love of all that is holy) mention them to the RIAA or the music label or anyone with a lawyer on retainer. Don't steal the vid or clips from it. Don't burn it and sell it for money. Don't give out passwords for password-protected vids. Don't distribute vids or upload them to YouTube or anywhere else (that does require the vidder's permission). Don't post them as your own work or without correct attribution.

In short: don't be stupid, don't be an asshole, and you'll be fine. Now go ahead and rec, okay? And if you're wondering where to start, well - these people did volunteer to be test cases.

abby_i (Her vids can be found at 4minutewarning.)
absolutedestiny
after_thought
aj2k
aka_arduinna (She co-vids with therienne as flummery, also known as Seah and Margie. Vid site.)
amothea
andrastewhite
anoel
astartexx
astolat
barkley
bastian1967
bitter_crimson
bloodypoetry
boniblithe
burntsm0re
butterfly
ceridwyn2
charmax
chasarumba
chinawolf
chocolatyshatnr
commodorified
dahliablue
derryderrydown
destina
dkwilliams
dualbunny
starbrow
f1renze
fahrbotdrusilla
feochadn
ficbyzee
fickledame
fides
flummery (See also: aka_arduinna, therienne, Seah and Margie. Vid site.)
foxestacado
giandujakiss
gwyn_r
hazywizard
heresluck
heuradys
hushpuppy22
jackiekjono
jaddziadax
jadeleopard
janedavitt
jenavira
jic
jmtorres
just_eunice
justacat
kassidy62
keerawa
darlulu
kikkimax
kimberlyfdr
kitt
kristin1228
lakester
lapillus
laurakaye
laurashapiro (All her announcements are under her vids tag.)
leobrat
lim
lindi_of_rohan
halcyon_shift
lucia_tanaka
marycrawford
melina123
obsessive24
par_avion
rivkat
sabaceanbabe
sdwolfpup
settiai
sextagteam
shati
sherrold (She co-vids with wickedwords. Tagged vid announcements. Vid site.)
sineala
sisabet
smuffster
sockkpuppett (Her vid announcements are here. Her vid site is here.)
apatheia_jane
stellar_dust
suzvoy
sweetestdrain
syredronning
talitha78
thedivinegoat
thedothatgirl
thefannishwaldo
therienne (She co-vids with aka_arduinna as flummery, also known as Seah and Margie. Vid site.)
tweedie
used2bvader
vaeltaa
voldything
wax_jism
wickedwords (She co-vids with sherrold. Tagged vid announcements. Vid site.)
wistful_fever
wolfling
yhlee
yorkshirewench
z_rayne
zeromuchjenn

If you're on this list, I suggest you update your user info with a link to your vid page, the vid section of your memories, whatever - basically, make it easy for people to find your vids, since I, at any rate, will be wandering through this list and looking for ways to see the vids of people on it.

If you are a vidder and you want to be added to this list, leave a comment on this post. (You should also consider taking the poll here, but please comment to say you have, as I don't check back that often.)

If you are on this list and you want off, leave a comment or send me an email and I will remove you as soon as I can.

-Footnotes-

1 Terry Pratchett. Gotta love him.
 
 
Page 1 of 2
<<[1] [2] >>
( 95 comments — Leave a comment )
MegStuffmegstuff on August 24th, 2006 02:00 am (UTC)
Man, thanks for all this work. I've just discovered the Joy of Vids myself & was not too sure of the etiquette - good to know I don't have to squee all by my lonesome.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV brownthefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 05:51 am (UTC)
The etiquette is, in summary: rec rec rec rec rec.

(Please.)

Because the squee is most definitely for sharing.

*hopeful waiting*
Luminosity: timebomb gun to headsockkpuppett on August 24th, 2006 02:21 am (UTC)
ooh ooh ooh! [horshaks madly] Link to me! Link to me!!

was that too needy?

strives to do better in the future

tried to eat the safe banana: Yaythefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 06:03 am (UTC)
Young lady, I am right on the verge of taking back what I said about vidders not being all cooler-than-thou and in-crowdy and You Are Not One of Us, because this is the second time TONIGHT that one of you has used a word I don't know.

And, okay, granted, I'm verbally stodgy. I mean, I once called someone a lummox. Over IM. The whole room collapsed laughing at me, but I still think it's a perfectly good word.

But, but, but - even if I'm comfortable in my stodginess, I still want to understand what other people are saying! So, okay, I give. What does "horshak" mean? I'd guess it had something to do with the phonetic components of the word, but - I'm trying to picture you, like, doing a dance called the Whore Shack (Like a Love Shack, but you pay for it? Maybe?) and it's not working out very well; all I've been able to come up with is an image of a woman in a spangly red cocktail dress that shows off her cleavage, and she flatly refuses to do any dancing in those shoes.

And I tried getting Google to define it, but it didn't know, either.

So help a girl with an impoverished lexicon out? Please?

(And, hey, does that mean you want me to link to your vid page or memories or tag next to your name on the list of Recs Meat? Because that would be excellent. One stop shopping!)
Horshack - taverymate on August 24th, 2006 06:10 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Horshack - thefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 06:46 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Horshack - taverymate on August 24th, 2006 07:46 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - sockkpuppett on August 24th, 2006 06:58 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - brown_betty on August 24th, 2006 11:39 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - thefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 11:54 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - brown_betty on August 25th, 2006 12:30 am (UTC) (Expand)
aliquid stat pro aliquomaygra on August 24th, 2006 02:21 am (UTC)
you need to write something. It needs to be this:

"The Fourth Vine's Definitive Guide to Media Fandom: Etiquette, Ethics, Protocols, and the Proper Forms of Squee!"

and then we can give it to every new fan we meet and fandom will be a happy place,
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV glowythefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 06:47 am (UTC)
*stares at you in horror*

Okay. You know I love you, right? So you will know that I am speaking from a place of total and sincere love and admiration when I say that that is the worst idea you have ever had.

Because, one, I don't HAVE any manners. None. And, two, most of my experience in this arena has been, like, trying to teach dogs where it's okay to pee and what not to bite. So my guide would read: "Be good, and you know perfectly well what I mean by good: don't bite anyone, don't potty in the house - and, yes, fandom counts as your house, don't take anyone else's chew toys or cushion, and for the love of god shut up; you can't bark at the neighbors just because they're different from us, and they have a perfect right to have fun in their own yard if they want to."

And then when fandom got wanky I would squirt everyone with water and then send them to their rooms.

It would be awful.

Although if you can find people to cover everything else, I could maybe do the Proper Forms of Squee. It'd be just like yoga combined with Tai Chi, except totally different:

The One-Breath Squee
Level: Beginner.
Form: Breathe in deeply, focusing on your center of power. When you are fully energized, release your strength toward your target on a single exhale, through the mystic words "Oh my god I loved it so cool I love you yes yay yay YAY!"
(Note: Advanced users may add further yays as necessary.)
Meditation Key: "There is no love until there is only love."

The Pimp Squee (To Be Directed at One Who Has Not Yet Seen the Light)
Level: Moderate.
Form: Draw energy from the strength of your love for the canon. Soak the canon into your pores; breathe the canon into your lungs; fill your center with your love for the canon. Then, when you feel ready, release your strength at your target. This strength may take the form of recorded media, porny fan fiction, artwork, photographs, and vids. Never give up, never surrender.
(Note: Advanced users may wish to progress to the Major Pimp Squee (To Be Directed at Groups of Persons Who Need to Find the Light) or the Extreme Pimp Squee (To Be Directed at One Who Stubbornly Refuses to Even Consider the Light, Despite the Clear Perfection of the Light for Her Specific Needs).)
Meditation Key: "Those who have not found the light are lost in the dark, like little children in an abandoned mine. Don't you hear them calling you to rescue them?"
(no subject) - vassilissa on August 24th, 2006 07:00 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - musesfool on August 24th, 2006 01:17 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - best_beloved on August 24th, 2006 04:34 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - maygra on August 25th, 2006 11:35 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - maygra on August 25th, 2006 11:36 am (UTC) (Expand)
gwyneth: spock iconziconzgwyn_r on August 24th, 2006 03:24 am (UTC)
You make me so happy when you put on that little cheerleader outfit. I don't know anyone who does such a wonderful of job of creating momentum and enjoyment for the simple act of reccing.

Hey, if we already made recs for the vids we recced to you, do we get a cookie? Huh?
tried to eat the safe banana: Daisythefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 07:14 am (UTC)
*beams*

I baked cookies yesterday, and you can have as many as you like. Um. Only, you know, virtually, on account of how they'd be icky by the time they got to you.

But still - you get cookies!

Although you get extra (totally virtual and therefore, well, not all that motivating) cookies if you rec another vid. There can never be too much vid recommending; that's my feeling here.

(And, by the way, the image of me in a cheerleader outfit is terrifying. I will have you know I was a moody, pouty, black-lace-wearing teenager with a massively flat affect and too much eye makeup. I still have the flat affect, but I got over the rest of it, thank god.)
flummery: RENDER!flummery on August 24th, 2006 03:39 am (UTC)
We terribly cleverly answered the poll separately, under our individual LJs (therienne and aka_arduinna). We do have links to our vid stuff in our respective user infos, but you can add us collectively as flummery as well, if you want.
tried to eat the safe banana: I sleep with computers.thefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 07:24 am (UTC)
I have listed you individually and as flummery, with cross-references, and have further identified you as Seah and Margie. Let me know if this is excessively informative, and I'll delete whichever bits you don't like. (Also let me know if you'd like me to link to a place where you keep all your vid announcements - site, memories, whatever - thus completing the circle. I'm now kind of wishing I'd asked vidders if I could link to their tags, memories, or sites, so that it would be easier to find vids; it was surprisingly tough to hunt down the announcements (as opposed to the web sites) of some of the vids I rec'd up above.)

By the way - this was a very educational comment for me. I knew therienne was one half of Seah and Margie, but I had no idea that aka_arduinna was the other half, even though both of you have mentioned it in the past. Sometimes I have to be whapped on the head with a piece of information several times before it sinks in.
(no subject) - flummery on August 25th, 2006 08:57 am (UTC) (Expand)
Greeking the Text: puffin face by thefakeheadlinelipsum on August 24th, 2006 03:58 am (UTC)
For them, you focus on the watcher going YAY. That's what they need to know.

Everything you said goes for reccing fic, too, and the above in particular is why *your* recs work. You usually convince me to click every damn story, even though I don't have time to read more than a quarter of them. :)

Also: Dude, I haven't seen *most* of the vids on your "surely someone out there is living under a rock and hasn't seen these vids yet" list. *pats rock fondly*
tried to eat the safe bananathefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 07:44 am (UTC)
Everything you said goes for reccing fic, too, and the above in particular is why *your* recs work. You usually convince me to click every damn story, even though I don't have time to read more than a quarter of them.

*beams*

That is precisely what I hope to do. It is my not at all secret but very nefarious scheme. (Yes, I do hope to take over the world, but rest assured - the new world order will have loads of really good fanworks.)

And, actually, I hadn't thought about it, but you're right; that describes pretty much my approach to all recommending, not just vids. I mean, sometimes I descend to literary analysis, but mostly I just babble about YAY and squee and so perfect and oh my god the love. It's interesting to think of that as an actual strategy as opposed to, you know, my natural desire to type until someone begs me to stop.

Also: Dude, I haven't seen *most* of the vids on your "surely someone out there is living under a rock and hasn't seen these vids yet" list. *pats rock fondly*

Okay, I admit it. That was a trick. See, because most people will have seen some of those vids, but they're from all over the map, and some of them are quite new, so I'm hoping that a few of them will be new to people. It's supposed to be, like, a stealth rec, luring people into clicking instead of bludgeoning them with joy until they give in and download.

Did it work? Did it did it did it did it?
(no subject) - lipsum on August 24th, 2006 02:35 pm (UTC) (Expand)
sisabet: animatedelitistviddersisabet on August 24th, 2006 04:22 am (UTC)
Wow! And yes! And hey! LOOK! I got rec'd!!!!!
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV bluethefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 08:22 pm (UTC)
That is the best vidder icon ever. For the record.

*admires it*

It's the apparent dichotomy of "attention hor" and "elitist bitch" that makes it so great, I think.

*admires it further*
plus one skeletondelurker on August 24th, 2006 04:29 am (UTC)
Okay, I am convinced! Probably it is not that hard, so I will recommend at least one vid this weekend.


We have a disease. It's very tragic and sad. But I don't think you can catch our Recommending Obsessively Disorder through casual recommending. ... It's just, you know, something that some of us were born with.
So true! Also, I know what you say about crazy bag lady-ness and weasles - I was far too intimidated to actually say anything to people when I first got into fandom, so I did recs instead. Recs are love.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV brownthefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 08:33 pm (UTC)
Okay, I am convinced! Probably it is not that hard, so I will recommend at least one vid this weekend.

Good. Then we will not have to progress to Defcon 3, where I stop talking about weasels and start imitating a wolverine.

*pleased*

I was far too intimidated to actually say anything to people when I first got into fandom, so I did recs instead. Recs are love.

Now I'm imagining the recommender equivalent to sisabet's vidder icon. Like, maybe:

Reclusive
Obsessive
Highly Judgmental
Elitist Bitch
Recommender

*ponders*

No, no. It doesn't really get at the heart of recommending somehow. Maybe:

Afraid of you
But in love with your weasel
Recommender

Oh my god no.

Obviously, this issue requires further study.

*makes mental note*
(no subject) - ficbyzee on August 24th, 2006 08:54 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Luce: <3!1!!lucia_tanaka on August 24th, 2006 04:31 am (UTC)
All my vids (and vidding thoughts) are under- prepare yourself for a shock, now- the 'vids' tag. *smirky* I've done quite a few, but have posted so far two Doctor Who vids, a Numb3rs vid, and a Psych storyvid. Alas, I have no website for hosting, as I am broke student fangirl. Woe is me.

All I can say is god bless the broke vidder's OTP: YouTube/SendSpace FTW.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV glowythefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 08:36 pm (UTC)
And let me tell you how thrilled I am that you don't include MegaUpload in that OTP. (It hates me.)

And, wow. You've done a Psych vid? I've never seen one (and am in fact quite proud of myself for recognizing that that is the name of a TV show). I must go download it immediately.

All my vids (and vidding thoughts) are under- prepare yourself for a shock, now- the 'vids' tag.

Yay! *prepares to click*
(no subject) - lucia_tanaka on August 24th, 2006 09:22 pm (UTC) (Expand)
cold_poet on August 24th, 2006 04:45 am (UTC)
*salutes* yes ma'am, vid rec asap, ma'am.

(And also, I heart you so very very much for the insane amount of work you put into making fandom a better place. Just so you know.)
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV menorahthefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 08:40 pm (UTC)
vid rec asap

*beams*

Excellent. I can see that there will be no need for pouting in my near future. (This is a good thing; I can use the time I have allocated for pouting - which is, I'll have you know, quite the demanding, time-consuming activity when done properly - for making recs instead.)

And also, I heart you so very very much for the insane amount of work you put into making fandom a better place.

Aw. Thank you.

*happy glow*
torn between not okay and maybe kind of cute: spike you sexy bitchkalpurna on August 24th, 2006 05:14 am (UTC)
I did it! *is your minion* Look!
torn between not okay and maybe kind of cute: feetkalpurna on August 24th, 2006 05:15 am (UTC)
clearly I took to heart your message about not needing to be coherent. *vbg*
(no subject) - thefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 09:54 pm (UTC) (Expand)
taverymate on August 24th, 2006 06:16 am (UTC)
Reccing vids
I can seldom say the word adore or love without an awareness that I'm using it as hyperbole, but in this case, no hyperbole involved.

I adore this post, and I'm very, very fond of you!
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV umbrellathefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 08:48 pm (UTC)
Re: Reccing vids
*happy grin*

Thank you! I feel insanely loved at the moment. It's a good feeling.

*revels*
most amazing damaged cupcake ever: default vid iconficbyzee on August 24th, 2006 07:04 am (UTC)
Ha! You have reminded me that I actually have a whole livejournal, solely for reccing vids. Um. Funny, that.
tried to eat the safe banana: Like Penguins Dothefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 08:56 pm (UTC)
Well, you've obviously remembered, so I forgive you.

And OMG you recommended the penguins! Everyone needs to see the penguins. They walk the line! Like a huge black and white marching band, only three thousand times cuter!

I am almost dead from the adorableness just from thinking about that vid. Seriously. That vid could be used as the ultimate peacemaker, because who can be fighting or grouchy or even remotely unhappy in a world with penguins waddling in time to Johnny Cash?

Certainly not me.

*departs, humming "I Walk the Line"*
cupidsbowcupidsbow on August 24th, 2006 10:12 am (UTC)
Wow. When you said lots of meta, you really meant it. :)

I've really enjoyed following this. I hadn't realised there had been such a huge change in perceptions, but it makes sense given how internet download speeds and carrier rates have increased. It's affected pretty much all other aspects of fandom, so why not this one?

Also, I have to admit to a certain amount of selfish glee, because now you will be reccing more vids!
tried to eat the safe banana: Harriet Vane at typewriterthefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 08:59 pm (UTC)
When a person of my customary level of wordiness says she's getting excessively wordy, be afraid.

I think we've all learned some lessons here. And your lesson, unfortunately, is probably going to be: Be careful what comments you leave in the LJ of a crazy lady, or next thing you know you'll be up to your ass in meta.

Also, I have to admit to a certain amount of selfish glee, because now you will be reccing more vids!

My hope is that it's contagious. *coughs* *looks around hopefully*
just_eunice on August 24th, 2006 01:28 pm (UTC)
Oh, yay, thank you. I've been following this discussion with fascination as a vidder, and so glad you did this.
tried to eat the safe banana: Batgirl in glassesthefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 09:10 pm (UTC)
Thank you! (And once again I have spent a few minutes trying to persuade myself that the tiger in your icon isn't just about to eat your user name. And once again I have failed. So, you know, watch your back; he looks like he's thinking, "Mmmmm! Vowels tasty!")
for you I'd bleed myself dryboniblithe on August 24th, 2006 02:25 pm (UTC)
Would you be willing to post this to vidding, or a link to it, or something?
tried to eat the safe banana: Batgirl in glassesthefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 09:48 pm (UTC)
Sure can. My links are at your command!

[pause for updating]

Okay; all posted. (Well, all linked. I felt cross-posting would be excessive, given the length of these suckers.)
Diana Williamsdkwilliams on August 24th, 2006 02:49 pm (UTC)
As a good minion, I've gone forth and recc'd - http://dkwilliams.livejournal.com/66550.html

(BTW, great idea!)
tried to eat the safe banana: Happy umbrellathefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 09:57 pm (UTC)
Yay!

And yay again, because two of them are dS vids. Of course, I've already seen them, since I basically will not rest until I have tracked a dS vid to its lair, downloaded it, and watched it, generally until it begs for mercy, but that just means I can whole-heartedly second your recommendations.

And one last yay for the SG recs; I don't think I've seen either of those, and trust me when I say I will be fixing that immediately.

*off to download*
for you I'd bleed myself dryboniblithe on August 24th, 2006 04:02 pm (UTC)
One way to improve your vid reccing skills is to check out the_reel, which needs recs/reviewers for specific fandoms each month. You can peruse the past entries and look at how other people phrase their vid recs. You can volunteer to be a reccer (just a minimum of two vids in a month! NOT TOO MANY!) and stretch your skills that way. Bottom line is everyone should start participating in the_reel because then it will be more active and we'll all get more excellent vid recs to watch!
Diana Williamsdkwilliams on August 24th, 2006 04:39 pm (UTC)
I second this. the_reel is a great LJ and I love reading the reviews and rec there
(no subject) - thefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 10:39 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - boniblithe on August 25th, 2006 02:29 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - thefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 10:41 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Laura Shapiro: pretentiouslaurashapiro on August 24th, 2006 05:06 pm (UTC)
I volunteer, too! Put me on the list! *g* Folks can link to my vids tag.

And thank you so much for doing this. I'm going to be writing a huge post-VVC vid rec post next week, including the vid I recced to you.
tried to eat the safe banana: Daisythefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 10:07 pm (UTC)
Yay! So, just to confirm - I put you on the list, and that's okay?

And how is it that I did not know about your vids tag? That makes life so much easier I can't even describe it in words.

*admires the vids tag*
(no subject) - laurashapiro on August 24th, 2006 10:09 pm (UTC) (Expand)
.hackthis on August 24th, 2006 06:58 pm (UTC)
I did a vid rec! Just last week! We even started talking about Regina in the same post. Just saying. I don't want you to think i'm slacking or anything. ;)
tried to eat the safe banana: Mapthefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 10:19 pm (UTC)
Well, on the one hand, I do recall that. So, no, you haven't been slacking.

On the other hand, anyone with an icon as nifty as that (OMG SO COOL) clearly has buckets of niftiness to spare, and could thus easily do another vid rec. Not that I am suggesting anything.

But, yeah, you've met your quota for this year. Technically.

At least until we manage to institute the higher quota for people with lots of coolness and good taste.

*admires icon some more*
(no subject) - hackthis on August 24th, 2006 10:45 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Neeryneery on August 24th, 2006 08:36 pm (UTC)
I actually recced the vid I mentioned in the poll months ago, but for extra cookies, I recced another one. And because I'm in that kind of mood, I also let myself look like a babbling idiot. It probably wouldn't be fair to blame you, despite the encouragement, because it kind of is my default setting. *g*

Anyway, I'm definitely one of the people who's just too shy to contact vidders for a password. Also, I'm afraid that they might expect feedback and that I won't have anthing to say about their vids, but that's really secondary to my total reluctance to actually go up to the intimidating "Keep out! People are only welcome with special permission!" sign and ask to be allowed in. It feels too much like trying to intrude on a private party, even though I know that's really not the way it's meant.

tried to eat the safe banana: Orbitalthefourthvine on August 24th, 2006 10:31 pm (UTC)
Oh, wow. I am insanely pleased, because you rec'd one of my favorite vids of all time. (I mean, I like "The Only One," too. But this one - oh my god.)

I found that one early in my vid watching career, and have watched it, oh, probably about three billion times. Maybe more; there was a long period when I had it on endless repeat because I was still learning how to watch vids and I saw something new each time it played through.

And, coincidentally, I sent fulsome, adoring, totally incoherent "Oh my god your LotR vids make my life complete" feedback to melina123 not that long ago. Because, well, sometimes it's just necessary to randomly send a stranger a long incomprehensible email babbling about love, you know?

And some of what you said in your post was what I was trying to say to melina123 in the email - that her vids show me the magic of the movies. You should tell her about it, if you get the chance.

Just to check - you've also seen melina123's other LotR vids, right? Because, seriously, they are all so worth checking out - they're like the canon in elixir form.

*rereads sentence*

*cringes*

Um. For the sake of my dignity, please just pretend that last simile worked, okay?
(no subject) - neery on August 25th, 2006 05:25 am (UTC) (Expand)
giandujakissgiandujakiss on August 24th, 2006 11:20 pm (UTC)
Hi there. I'm happy to be recc'd, although honestly, they can link to my site as well as my public vid announcements. Thanks!
tried to eat the safe banana: Sleepthefourthvine on August 26th, 2006 07:50 am (UTC)
I added you! (And, um, I even think I got your user name right this time. Sorry about that.)
rache: vid tv by sherroldwickedwords on August 25th, 2006 12:07 am (UTC)
sherrold and I would love to be added to this list. Your caveats are pretty much what I have been asking for, so I think we're fine.

Vid announcements are tagged:
http://wickedwords.livejournal.com/tag/vids

Vid Site is:
http://www.relative-obscurity.org/belles/cb.html

tried to eat the safe banana: Batgirl in glassesthefourthvine on August 27th, 2006 06:02 am (UTC)
Added! Also, yay! (Also, I've kind of been doing drive-by feedback here, to a certain extent, but with you two, it's beyond me; I've loved so many of your vids. Um. How about: "In general, I like y'all a real lot"? Hmmm. Needs work.)

It might be a good idea to check that I got everything right in the list. I've been doing a lot of this updating late at night, and - um. Sometimes, when I get tired enough, my keyboard gets creative.
fabellawistful_fever on August 25th, 2006 03:19 am (UTC)
I'd like to be added to the list, with this username. Thanks!
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV bluethefourthvine on August 27th, 2006 06:05 am (UTC)
Added! (Please check, if you get a chance, to see that it is added properly. I am doing a lot of this updating late at night, and, well. My accuracy declines a lot after 2 a.m.)

Also: you have a Sentinel vid! How did I not know that?

*scurries off to download*
The sanest lunatic you've ever met: by sdwolfpup: heeeeeeliiiuummmmmsdwolfpup on August 25th, 2006 05:36 am (UTC)
You deserve the Best Contribution to Vidding Award this year for all of the work you've done talking about rec'ing and watching vids. You are awesome - thank you for doing all of this!

And thank you for the rec, too, what a huge treat that was for me.
tried to eat the safe banana: One time I called this girl Mom.thefourthvine on August 27th, 2006 10:53 am (UTC)
Oh my god you have a Helium icon! That is my favorite of all Helium scenes (and often quoted around this house), and I have to take an extra moment just to admire it.

*stares*

You deserve the Best Contribution to Vidding Award this year for all of the work you've done talking about rec'ing and watching vids.

*blushes*

Thank you. It's been a lot of fun. And vidders are the best group ever to meta about from the outside; in all these posts, you guys have been nothing but nice to me. I sincerely hope someone someday figures out the origins of the "vidders hate us" thing, because nothing could be further from the truth.
(no subject) - sdwolfpup on August 27th, 2006 02:08 pm (UTC) (Expand)
( 95 comments — Leave a comment )
Page 1 of 2
<<[1] [2] >>