?

Log in

No account? Create an account
 
 
05 September 2007 @ 12:52 am
[Poll]: Where do we go from here?  
Okay, I've put this off long enough. (Hi, my name is TFV, and I'm totally change-phobic. I hold the regional title for hiding-head-in-sand, and am a certified expert in change denial. Need mentoring in the fine art of fearing change? I am here for you.)

Seems to me that, what with the ever-changing and quite confusing ToS on LJ, it's only reasonable for me to do something besides post all my content to LJ and just kind of hope I don't lose it. (Yes, I have backups, but not, at this time, a real offsite backup.) But, of course, I'm waffling on what I'm going to do. When in doubt, poll!

Also, every day I'm seeing deletions and departure notices, and I kind of want to figure out where everyone is going before you're all, you know, gone. I realize I'm too late to catch the first wave of LJ departures, so if any of you cross-post or do newsletter things or also journal on another service, I'd really appreciate a link. (This isn't just for people on my friends list, by the way. There are journals I read that I don't have friended, after all.) So, again, a poll seems like a good way to collect information.

I know people who don't have LJ accounts anymore - as in, deleted or suspended - can't actually take the poll. In that case, feel free to answer whichever questions you choose (including, ideally, the location of your journal-type content and your fanworks) in the comments. Anonymous commenting is on. If you can't do that, either, then feel free to email me. I want to know where you are!

It's probably getting really boring seeing polls like this all over your friends list. I'm sorry. But I don't want to lose my content or my community, so - well, I'd really appreciate it if you'd take mine. (If it makes you grouchy, there's an option in the poll to tell me to just quit LJing. Feel free to use it!)



Poll #1050367 Fannish Migration

In the (near) future, where will you be posting journal-type content?

DeadJournal
0(0.0%)
GreatestJournal
0(0.0%)
InsaneJournal
6(2.1%)
JournalFen
4(1.4%)
LiveJournal
185(63.6%)
Wordpress
0(0.0%)
A blog embedded in my site (and I'll be putting the URL in the next text box).
0(0.0%)
Other (and I'm telling you where in the text box below).
2(0.7%)

Your other special posty place is:

In the (near) future, where will you be posting fanwork-type content?

DeadJournal
0(0.0%)
GreatestJournal
1(0.4%)
InsaneJournal
8(3.0%)
JournalFen
3(1.1%)
LiveJournal
120(44.8%)
Wordpress
1(0.4%)
My website, and I'll tell you the address in the box below.
7(2.6%)
A multi-fandom archive, and I'll tell you which one in the box below.
0(0.0%)
Fandom-specific archives.
0(0.0%)
Other, and the text box tells you where!
4(1.5%)

Where will your fanworks be?

How are you reading this LJ?

On my LJ friends list.
254(86.7%)
Through a feed. (If you're using a feed, I'd love a link to it in the comments.)
2(0.7%)
By visiting this actual LJ every once in a while.
17(5.8%)
Some other way. (Comments, my darling dearest.)
2(0.7%)
I'm not.
0(0.0%)

In the near future, how can a recommendations source (like, you know, me) be of most use to you?

By continuing to post recs to LiveJournal and only to LiveJournal.
95(33.8%)
By posting recs to a single journal, but on GreatestJournal or InsaneJournal instead of LJ.
3(1.1%)
By continuing to post recs in a journal mirrored at (cross-posted in) LJ, IJ, and GJ. (I don't have an account at JF or DJ, where I understand you need codes and suchlike.)
154(54.8%)
By posting recs to a personal website, probably in embedded-blog style.
5(1.8%)
I think recs of your particular style (lots of blather, no particular attempt at immediacy) aren't going to be useful in the near future.
0(0.0%)
I think recs shouldn't continue in the near future.
0(0.0%)
There is more in my opinion than is dreamt of in your radio boxes. To the comments!
24(8.5%)

Will you stay or will you go?

I'm staying on LJ. Period.
85(28.8%)
I'm staying on LJ, but I'm keeping an eye on things, crossposting, taking precautions, whatever.
173(58.6%)
I'm leaving LJ soon, or mostly leaving LJ.
10(3.4%)
I'm leaving LJ in the future - say, when the fandom blog opens, or on a specified date, something like that.
16(5.4%)
Baby, I'm already gone.
4(1.4%)
Other. Comments!
7(2.4%)

Who are you on GreatestJournal? (I'm thefourthvine.)

Who are you on InsaneJournal? (I'm thefourthvine.)

If it shakes out that way, would you:

Help me set up a website, maybe with embedded blog thingy?
5(2.3%)
Help me set up on GJ? (Like, customization, that kind of thing.)
0(0.0%)
Help me set up on IJ? (Customization, etc.)
0(0.0%)
Help me work out crossposting to multiple journals on different services? (A link to an explanation would be great.)
3(1.4%)
Help me work out RSS feeds?
1(0.5%)
Hold my hand because change is OMG scary?
125(56.3%)
Say farewell if I no longer post exclusively to LJ?
2(0.9%)
Say farewell if I no longer post to LJ at all?
19(8.6%)
Point and laugh?
6(2.7%)

As always, please choose a random chunk of text as you exit the poll.

It's Bigger Than Hip-Hop
32(11.1%)
I am so glad I'm good with latex.
40(13.9%)
Shounen-ai
24(8.4%)
Elephant tranquilizer in the ass!
38(13.2%)
wall-to-wall caribou for a week at least
153(53.3%)
Tags: [poll]
 
 
 
Nobody puts Qem in a corner.qem_chibati on September 5th, 2007 08:10 am (UTC)
http://qem-chibati.insanejournal.com/5575.html
I pooled together a list of resources for IJ a while ago, but the ones you'd want I think are:

http://www.greatestjournal.com/users/snapetoy/16797.html
- Semagic for magic cross posting powers!

http://brown-betty.livejournal.com/284083.html
- Exporting lj entries to another journal or saving them on your computer.

LJ-archive saves comments etc into something *you* can read on your computer, lj-sec takes your posts (but not comments) and posts them to another journal of your choice.
tried to eat the safe banana: I sleep with computers.thefourthvine on September 5th, 2007 08:20 am (UTC)
Awesome. I had the brown_betty's already, and I have LJ-archive and LJ-sec, but that second link was just what I was looking for. Thank you!

Off to explore the rest of your resources now.
Nobody puts Qem in a corner.: otaku madness -geekyqem_chibati on September 5th, 2007 08:13 am (UTC)
Also; RSS readers I use depend on how frequently the site updates and my interest level.

I either use live bookmarks on firefox (where I expect high chaff ratios and don't care if I miss a link) or google reader http://www.google.com/reader/view/ - like a flist just for you!

I haven't yet gotten any rss reader to work on syndicated friendlocked entries although there are some people who say it is possible if you add your username and password to the syndicated link - you can see entries that you would have access to if logged in on lj.

I've heard good things about a couple of programs but nothing that I wanted to use extensively just yet.
tried to eat the safe banana: I sleep with computers.thefourthvine on September 5th, 2007 08:22 am (UTC)
There's one program that I'm looking into. Which, damn it, I don't have the link. But, yeah, I'd love something reliable that allowed me to view secured posts and aggregates everything in one place, and I don't know of such a beast just yet. Ah, well. I can yearn, anyway.
(no subject) - qem_chibati on September 5th, 2007 08:48 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - brown_betty on September 5th, 2007 02:19 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - morgandawn on September 5th, 2007 03:39 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - brown_betty on September 5th, 2007 03:50 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - morgandawn on September 5th, 2007 03:59 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - brown_betty on September 5th, 2007 04:06 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - morgandawn on September 5th, 2007 05:16 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - brown_betty on September 5th, 2007 05:18 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Babies ate my dingo.derryderrydown on September 5th, 2007 08:15 am (UTC)
If you want a JF account, I can get one set up for you?
tried to eat the safe banana: I sleep with computers.thefourthvine on September 5th, 2007 08:21 am (UTC)
Yes! That'd be way cool. Thank you!
Angel Dust: Bart - Dazedglammetalkitten on September 5th, 2007 08:16 am (UTC)
Hi, lurker poking her head above the ground here :)

As I'm not always the most technological person on this her interwebs, I had a few issues getting the Semagic cross-posting tool to work. My friend gave me a different set of instructions which worked beautifully!

I'm still having trouble keeping track of everyone who has moved, and would love it if some clever person could come up with a way for me to have one flist which pooled all my friends from all the journal services! One can always hope, I guess....
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV bluethefourthvine on September 5th, 2007 10:57 am (UTC)
Hi, lurker!

Thanks for the link; I hypothetically have everything set to crosspost, but, well, the real test will be actually doing it. I may well need those instructions, since things do not always work as they're supposed to.

I'm still having trouble keeping track of everyone who has moved, and would love it if some clever person could come up with a way for me to have one flist which pooled all my friends from all the journal services!

Yup, it's difficult; I don't want to miss anyone, but at the same time, I'm not sure I'm up to three or four friends lists. (In all honesty, it's hard to keep up with one.) I'm seriously hoping that one of the programs people have recommended to aggregate feeds actually works. *crosses fingers*
Karen: Temporaryodditycollector on September 5th, 2007 08:27 am (UTC)
In the near future, how can a recommendations source (like, you know, me) be of most use to you?

If you don't want to do proper crossposting, you could picking a place (LJ, a proper blog, where ever) where you feel comfortable and set up a feed for those hanging elsewhere.

(I personally am currently doing crossposting to IJ more or less, but duplication mildly offends my sensibilities just the same.)
tried to eat the safe banana: I sleep with computers.thefourthvine on September 5th, 2007 11:01 am (UTC)
See, yeah. Duplication isn't ideal, but then at least I'd have a backup in case one of the sites went wonky, and also people who have migrated away could read me without feeding me if they wanted. (Feeds are problematic in a number of ways, not least because they seem to eliminate cuts, which - I post a *lot* of text sometimes. I also sometimes discuss spoilers for the stories I'm recommending. So it'd be nice if my cut tags worked, and on feeds, they won't. At least, that was the case the last time I was on a feed. On the other hand, feeds are easy. So...yeah. Have I mentioned I'm not good with change or decision-making?)

Mary Crawfordmarycrawford on September 5th, 2007 08:55 am (UTC)
In the near future, how can a recommendations source (like, you know, me) be of most use to you?

The answers to this one all feel way too negative or way too imperative ("you must post to LJ AND ONLY TO LJ! Forswear all others!"). I love your recs and it would please me greatly if you kept posting them to LJ, as I'll be staying on LJ for a while, but if you crossposted to various journal sites that would be fine too, and if you were to move to a blog-type thing I would just add your RSS feed to my blog reader.

I'm staying on LJ because I don't really think there is a better alternative - as GJ and IJ expand, they'll probably run into the same problems as LJ is dealing (badly) with right now.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV bluethefourthvine on September 5th, 2007 11:10 am (UTC)
Hi hi hi! I have an email response in draft form to send to you, and I must get it finished and off to you before, oh, next August. Coming soon to an inbox near you! I hope!

I love your recs and it would please me greatly if you kept posting them to LJ, as I'll be staying on LJ for a while, but if you crossposted to various journal sites that would be fine too, and if you were to move to a blog-type thing I would just add your RSS feed to my blog reader.

Thank you! And my guess is that I'll be staying on LJ for a while, no matter what else I do. It's just, with the new linking policy - all I do is link. I don't think it's at all likely that I'll get into trouble, at least in the short term, but if the possibility is there I'd like to have a backup, you know?

I'm staying on LJ because I don't really think there is a better alternative - as GJ and IJ expand, they'll probably run into the same problems as LJ is dealing (badly) with right now.

I certainly expect this. (And, yes, I agree - there's no single better alternative right now; a flat-out move is unlikely to be my choice.) I mean, it took quite a while for trouble to find us on LJ, but anyone who truly wants to make trouble now knows exactly how to, so - yeah, I think IJ and GJ are likely have the same sorts of issues in the future. But I do think crossposting at least gives me a bit of redundancy, which is a kind of security. (Kind of annoying, too, for people who are following more than one list, but I assume they'll cut me in every place but one.)
(no subject) - sdwolfpup on September 5th, 2007 01:53 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - qe2 on September 5th, 2007 08:18 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Jonathan Toews does not want a sandwich.svmadelyn on September 5th, 2007 09:06 am (UTC)
I'm of the personal opinion that if people want to read your blog, they're going to find a way to read your blog - off a feed, whatever - and that we all barely have enough time as it is, and I'd rather people spend their time creating actual content than making it breezily easy for someone to read their blog. I think it should be...earned! Yes. (More that, if they want to read you through a feed, it's totally easy to do so and it saves the annoyance of cross-posting.)

*wiggles fingers* If you do decide you wish to go the webhosting route, you're welcome to a subdomain on my site, if you'd like it. It comes with a one-click wordpress install that I could do for you - Pru, Eleveninches and I all have ones set up with much success and whatnot. Um, anyway. I give people a free year, and then after that it's divided up by however many people are on the site at the time, so never more than like, 20.00 a year for virtually unlimited space/bandwidth. It's good times. :D

Anyway, the option's there for you if you ever want it! *g*
tried to eat the safe banana: I sleep with computers.thefourthvine on September 6th, 2007 02:55 am (UTC)
Ooo, thank you! I have no idea if website with Wordpress is the direction I'm going, but I tell you, I am very very tempted. A home on the web! That would be very cool.

(More that, if they want to read you through a feed, it's totally easy to do so and it saves the annoyance of cross-posting.)

I figure cross-posting is going to be more of an annoyance for other people and a convenience for me; if I stay entirely on journal sites, it's the only way to have a decent offsite backup. (Okay, I mean, I have my hard drive in an offsite backup, but while LJarchive saves my posts, it doesn't allow me to do much with them, and LJSec is only of limited use. If I'm sticking to journals, an actual backup journal would be much handier. ...And, nice. Now I've typed "journal" so much it doesn't look like a real word. I win at repetition!)
The Gauche in the Machine: F/K good time to tell you i love youchina_shop on September 5th, 2007 09:25 am (UTC)
By continuing to post recs to LiveJournal and only to LiveJournal.

I said that, but I agree with marycrawford about it sounding negative. I just meant, that's where I'm most likely to read you. But I'd strike out the "and only to LiveJournal" if the poll gave me that option. :-)
rydra_wongrydra_wong on September 5th, 2007 11:06 am (UTC)
Thirded. I really don't care whether something's only posted to LJ, or whether it's posted in other places as well :).
(no subject) - darthfox on September 5th, 2007 11:58 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - rosaleendhu on September 5th, 2007 01:22 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - sally_maria on September 5th, 2007 06:32 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - thefourthvine on September 6th, 2007 02:57 am (UTC) (Expand)
torchflambeau on September 5th, 2007 09:25 am (UTC)
I don't like change, either. Troublesome stuff. I've noticed that my flist seems quiet lately, but I thought it was just the season...

Anyway. I'm torch on journalfen, but that's about it, and I don't post there. Or read there, come to think of it.

The more I try to think about this stuff, the more I think about other things I could do instead, like write, or bake bread, or clean the oven. heh.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV bluethefourthvine on September 6th, 2007 03:02 am (UTC)
I've noticed that my flist seems quiet lately, but I thought it was just the season.

It could just be the season, depending on what fandoms your friends list is currently in. Some fandoms haven't changed at all, but one of the fandoms I follow closely is leaving almost en masse.

The more I try to think about this stuff, the more I think about other things I could do instead, like write, or bake bread, or clean the oven.

This was my approach, yes. (My bread recipes! Let me show you them. Although my oven remains regrettably unclean.) But, actually, looking at the poll, things don't look too bad. We'll apparently have more people posting their fanworks off LJ, which is quite frankly a very good thing - one of the big problems with LJ is that it really doesn't work as an archive - and personal-type content will mostly stay here, with some people who will need to be put on a feed or aggregated or whatever. So I think I feel slightly better for having made this post. (Which, for me, is a huge win, because even thinking about this brings on a major fit of change-phobic wibbles.)
(no subject) - flambeau on September 7th, 2007 12:52 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - thefourthvine on September 8th, 2007 12:43 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - flambeau on November 20th, 2007 06:12 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Rat Creature: what rl?ratcreature on September 5th, 2007 09:45 am (UTC)
I crosspost my personal journal right now to LJ, IJ and GJ, but I recently created an art comm (not exclusively fannish, it's supposed to become a place to practice drawing with others), and I did that on IJ, because of LJ's policy changes that impact art the most. So some of my sketches will probably only be posted there.

I'll keep crossposting for now, and most of my own journal is fairly harmless, but I do have a drawing of Superboy and Robin groping each other for example (not with visible genitals or anything so it's unlikely to cause trouble, but who knows), and one of Batman kissing Robin, and I think I've recced underage stuff which I then linked to, so I don't feel safe on LJ anymore. I mean, I do get semi-frequent trolls because of some comic related posts, and some of these were dedicated enough to create LJs to rail at me in my comments (since I don't allow anonymous ones to prevent spam), and some where really enraged, so I can imagine some of the angrier ones going through my conveniently tagged back entries looking to report things to LJ Abuse with that handy new button, you know?
tried to eat the safe banana: I sleep with computers.thefourthvine on September 6th, 2007 03:19 am (UTC)
LJ's policy changes that impact art the most

At this point, yeah, they do, and that worries me, both because it means artists are being driven out of fandom as a whole and because in some ways art is our canary in the coal mine.

I mean, I do get semi-frequent trolls because of some comic related posts, and some of these were dedicated enough to create LJs to rail at me in my comments (since I don't allow anonymous ones to prevent spam), and some where really enraged, so I can imagine some of the angrier ones going through my conveniently tagged back entries looking to report things to LJ Abuse with that handy new button, you know?

*cringe*

Uh, yeah. Comics discussion does seem to attract a certain element with issues, is about the kindest way I can think of to put it. (Lunatics with an axe to grind would be another way.)

And I am so not looking forward to that Report Abuse button going in, although I a) think I get why they're doing it (legal CYA, I would assume) and b) suspect it's going to be more of a problem for their volunteers than anything else. I mean, yes, it is going to get used in grudges and jokes and all kinds of stupid crap, and that will mean wasting a lot of time. That people are giving LJ for free.

But it will also mean the occasional spot of trouble, and I can easily see any of the comics fans as being targets for that trouble. Which is exactly the problem with the whole differential enforcement thing, but I think other people have covered that far more articulately than I can.
I saw you eating ice cream, pal!: Maggie/Hopeyglossing on September 5th, 2007 10:04 am (UTC)
Change is scary! It's also been wonderfully liberating, however, as I moved to IJ. Just saying.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV dogtagsthefourthvine on September 6th, 2007 03:21 am (UTC)
Really? Interesting. I'm honestly so change-phobic I can't really even imagine it going that way for me (I'm always trapped deeped in OMG NO CHANGE NO NO NO mode), but: I'm glad it's working well for you. Yay!
(Deleted comment)
tried to eat the safe banana: I sleep with computers.thefourthvine on September 6th, 2007 03:23 am (UTC)
I don't think anywhere else is necessarily going to be better, but I do think multiple journals will mean an overall better chance of not, you know, randomly losing all my journal content. And cross-posting looks like it will be easy. (Um. Yeah. Wish me luck, okay?)
(Deleted comment)
aliquid stat pro aliquomaygra on September 5th, 2007 10:31 am (UTC)
I've got two years of paid time left on this journal, so, it's not going away, but I'm pretty much cross posting now, and the only problem thus far is that Greatest Journal doesn't send notifications when someone comments, ergo, that one's not getting a lot of my attention. I check it about once a day. A lot can happen in two years so, we'll see. I may have hied mysefl to a nunnery before this all falls out.

Anyway, fic, as always is on my journal, and I'm still reading LJ, but I've filtered it down to a much shorter *read every day list*.
the_shoshannathe_shoshanna on September 5th, 2007 12:18 pm (UTC)
Greatest Journal doesn't send notifications when someone comments

I certainly get comment notifications, and perfectly timely ones, too. Are you sure your settings at GJ are correct?
(no subject) - maygra on September 5th, 2007 01:49 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - the_shoshanna on September 5th, 2007 05:25 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - thefourthvine on September 6th, 2007 03:35 am (UTC) (Expand)
Very inconvenient, as now I have no shaving-glass: LJer in a reasonably priced car - brakehdzurlady on September 5th, 2007 10:33 am (UTC)
Cari-be-gone for all your caribou removal needs!
I'm staying here, because I still like lj better than the alternatives, although if something good comes up I would probably shift to cross posting or set up a feed or something.
I think you should rec however you feel like it, although I like having you here on lj.

tried to eat the safe banana: Moose in bluethefourthvine on September 6th, 2007 04:09 am (UTC)
But why would anyone want to remove a caribou?
I like being on LJ; I have a permanent account, for one thing, so I don't plan on leaving entirely until fandom leaves me behind. But I do want the backup of another journal. Or a website. *dithers*
Vass: Batsvassilissa on September 5th, 2007 11:09 am (UTC)
My thing with InsaneJournal: the insanity theme. Not cute, not funny, not clever. It's not like I've never made, or laughed at, jokes about mental illness, goodness knows. *points to icon*

But IJ goes beyond just the name, and beyond "joke I would laugh at", and into "oh boy, I'm not going there." I've seen the arguments about using it in a reclaiming sense, and the appropriateness of the term 'asylum', and I'd give them more heed if, one, it was mentally ill people who made the joke in the first place, or two, Squeaky'd reacted differently to criticism.
tried to eat the safe banana: Little Citythefourthvine on September 6th, 2007 04:26 am (UTC)
I remember Miriam's exchange with Squeaky, yup, and also of course your posts on this topic, so I wasn't expecting to see you on IJ. (Nor do I think I'll be leaving LJ, so I won't be leaving you behind. Yay!)

And I'm assuming you don't want my two cents on the topic of IJ's theme, though if you do, I'm always here, with pennies in hand. (Or in head. Whatever. The metaphor doesn't extend very well.)
(no subject) - vassilissa on September 6th, 2007 12:38 pm (UTC) (Expand)