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31 March 2008 @ 12:05 am
180: Sweet Charity: How Long It Is  
Not last time but the time before (although I am still totally on my deadline, so there), I signed up for Sweet Charity. The person who won me was gnomad. Probably everyone who sells herself for charity has a moment of terror when she gets the request, but gnomad's was actually pretty cool. Basically, she wanted me to rec some vids that might show her why vidding is cool, since she doesn't watch vids much.

I thought, I can so totally do that. Then, of course, I got eaten by the Meta Lizards. They come for you in the dead of night and make your posts three hundred pages long.

But! I persevered. I wrote the whole post, hacked pages and pages of meta back out of it (in addition to Meta Lizards, I am apparently tragically afflicted by a writing disorder that prevents me from ever shutting up), and I think - I hope - I now have something kind of close to what she wanted.

In any case, I'm going for it. gnomad, thank you for buying me, for being such an awesome winner, and for having such an interesting request. Most of all, thank you for donating to charity. <3!



Why vids? Well. I have a lot of answers for that. Vids are gorgeous. Vids are fun. Vids are part of the fannish conversation, and sometimes they say things that can't be said any other way. In the end, I think you kind of have to have your own reason to want to learn vids, at least if you're trying to learn to watch vids despite a total lack of innate vid-watching ability. (Hi! That would be me, especially me c. 2005, although the great part about doing something you're terrible at is that the learning opportunities just never stop.)

For me, it was mostly just the obvious fact that vidders were saying something, and I couldn't understand them. It made me twitchy. They were fans! I was a fan! Why couldn't we communicate? And yet we really couldn't. (Um. Really, really couldn't, not at the beginning. Sometimes the only thing I gathered from vids in those days was that there was music, and also some random things happening on the screen. But my struggles with vid comprehension aren't going to happen to most people; I'm kind of the bottom one-hundredth of one percent in this.)

If you're wondering what a vid can do for you that fan fiction can't - well. Let's start with some obvious examples.

A Vid Can Make You See Something You Never Wanted To

Women's Work, by sisabet and sockkpuppett. Supernatural.

This is not your grandmother's vid, here, and it's not easy to watch. (In other words, WARNINGS. I am giving you warnings.) I saw it for the first time at VVC, on the big screen, and the impression it made on me was, shall we say, phenomenal. Because I don't know Supernatural canon at all - or, okay, I know it even less than I know most other canons - to me, it was almost a meta vid. Sure, it used Supernatural footage. (Could you make this vid in another fandom? I have no idea. Canon: I don't watch it.) But it made a point that - well. I remember, right after I came home from VVC, I re-read Bill Bryson's A Walk in the Woods. And there's a scene in there where Bryson and his hiking partner are talking to another guy about a really irritating girl they met, and they have this exchange (paraphrased, I'm not finding the book right this minute):

Hiking partner: Now I will kill her.
Other guy: Well, I don't imagine you'll have any trouble finding people to hold her down for you.

And I cringed away from the book. Even though they were obviously kidding, even though the woman in question was definitely annoying and that's all they meant, even though people say that stuff all the time and it's really no big deal, because this vid had temporarily - I don't know. Made me see what we live around? Made me see all the things I don't usually see, because you just can't and still live your life, not if you're female. For me, that's the women's work of the title, and for me, that's what the one line "You should learn how to say no" is about - it's like the vidders reached through the screen, grabbed me, and said "Look around you, damn it. Pay attention. Stop lying there and taking it."

I've read a lot of essays that tried to achieve that same feat. I've read books that did. I've never seen anything accomplish it as well as this vid, which says: look at the sources we love. Look at what they do to us. Look at how hard we work to ignore that. And, just maybe, stop ignoring it for a moment.

So for me, this is one of the big arguments for watching vids: they say things that can't easily be said another way.

A Vid Can Make You See Something You Desperately Want To

Pon de Replay, by astolat. Entourage.

Here's the thing: I watched this vid for the first time without really knowing who these people were. They were - you know. A guy. And this other guy. But by the end, I so completely believed that these two guys were a) in love b) fucking and c) so totally married that I didn't even notice that there's a video manipulation in here. I just thought, hey, that must be canon. For whatever this canon is.

It isn't canon. And I have actually seen some of this canon now - I know, I can hardly believe it myself, but it's exceedingly watchable even for me - and I know now. They aren't actually fucking in the canon. But they are indeed in love, and they are way married, and - okay. This is just the kind of canon that sends you on a late night trawl through recs sites, del.icio.us, and, in the hideous fullness of time, fanfiction.net, desperately seeking fan fiction that will show you the love. Because you know it's there! You just want to see it.

And in this vid, you can. It captures Eric (blond guy) and Vince (curly guy), shows exactly why I came away from half a dozen episodes saying, "Oh my god so doing it." And it highlights just the slash moments. And then it...makes an extra one.

If you've ever wondered why your pairing couldn't just make out on the screen: they can. When one of us is directing. And that happens in vids.

A Vid Can Be the Ultimate Just the Good Parts Edition

Rodeohead, by absolutedestiny. Firefly.

Okay. I am quite sure that this vid is different for Firefly fans. Or for people who have seen a Firefly episode. Or people who can consistently tell all the characters in Firefly apart without footnotes (or, ideally, a little pop-up box on the screen with the characters' name - why is this not an option alongside subtitles?). I am sure there is depth! Meaning! Loads of good stuff! For those people who we might describe as "persons with a passing acquaintance with popular culture."

For me, though, this vid leaves me simultaneously awed - it looks like the vidding equivalent of juggling 18 random objects with your nose - and wholly satisfied. It's like the canon concentrated, distilled, and then made really super extra shiny, for your added viewing pleasure. I finish watching this vid and feel like I don't need to see Firefly anymore. And, anyway, after this, it could only be a letdown.

And that's kind of the thing. A vid can work with (Rodeohead) or against (Women's Work) the canon. It can work with (Pon de Replay) or against (Women's Work) the audience, too. The more I watch vids, the more sure I am that vidders can do anything. And that I am lucky to be along for the ride.

That, to me, is the ultimate why for watching vids: it's cool, it's impressive, it's fun, and so what if it doesn't work every time? I delete five vids for every one I keep. I move maybe one vid out of the twenty I keep to my "to rec" folder. But the same is true of fan fiction. Fanworks, just in general, don't have to work for you every time. It's more that they have to work for you sometimes. Occasionally. They have to give you enough of a hit that you keep looking for more.

But that doesn't mean it's easy to get from here to there, if here is a place where you don't understand vids at all. And that's the other side of this - how do you get there? I have some very, very, very long meta pieces written about how I got from a place of total non-comprehension to - well, appreciation. Let's leave it at that. Unbelievably, this is not that meta piece. Instead, this is kind of a guided tour, because that's what gnomad wanted.


The best vids aren't always the best vids for beginners. (And sometimes they are the best vids for beginners, but - not always, is what I'm saying.) Like, I started watching vids via single-note humor vids. The first vid I ever watched and actually understood was not, you know, one of the great classics of vidding; it was a vid set to I'm Too Sexy. (I am not saying I'm Too Sexy always leads to bad vids. It doesn't. But it does reliably lead to vids built around the concept that a certain person is just way hot. This is not a difficult idea to grasp.) I believe, although I can no longer be sure, that the underlying theme was that Snape was too sexy for his wand. And, see, I didn't know anything about vids: about the music, about the lyrics, about editing. But I could still get that vid.

I think this is why people sometimes get frustrated and think, "Obviously, vids are not for me." They see a vid recommended in multiple places, one that people are all asquee about, and they try it and bounce off it and despair. But that's not actually a reason to despair. It's just - okay. There's a difference between Ulysses and Harry Potter (yes, I know that there are several differences, actually - like, I really don't think Leopold Bloom casts expelliarmus even once), and it's that one of those books requires a lot more experience reading. You can just pick up Harry Potter. But if you're twelve and you just pick up Ulysses, trust me when I tell you that you will put it down again in some confusion very soon thereafter.

And vids kind of work the same way - there are some that are rich and deep and multi-layered and intense. They stand up to multiple re-watchings. They reward thoughtful analysis. There are vids you could write a thesis on.

But that's not necessarily where you want to start with vids if the medium doesn't come naturally to you. (If they do come naturally to you, congratulations! You're past this point and can safely move on.) You want to start with something you can get, something at your current vid reading level. Because I think she won't mind if I do this, I'm going to use two examples by laurashapiro here.

The first one is Wouldn't It Be Nice. (Bottom of the page. No password required!) I saw this vid when I was quite new to vid-watching, and could confidently expect to understand only 3 - 4% of what I saw. (At that, I was doing rather well; the first few months of vid-watching, my percentage of understanding approached zero.) Watching this vid now, there are a number of criticisms I could make. But watching it then, it was just a vid I totally understood. It was slash! But in pictures instead of words! I found this amazing, and also totally within my reach even though I recognized maybe four of the scenes in the vid. (Oh, god, I remember watching this with Best Beloved and her saying, "That's Spock! That's...I actually have no idea who that is, or that, but those people must be Jim and Blair!" I had never seen Methos, never seen Duncan, never seen Picard or Bodie or Doyle or Napoleon or...oh my god, I was so new.) There was kissing! It was sweet! I could cope! I could rejoice, even, because it was so much fun!

Contrast this with The Lonely People. (Under Doctor Who, which in fact it is. Still no password required!) This is, in pretty much all ways, a much better vid. It shows mastery of the technology, of the medium, of the music. It's multi-layered, deep, meaningful, rewards multiple watchings. And, for me, it is a purely intellectual vid, in the same way that Wouldn't It Be Nice was a purely emotional vid. I'm working hard when I watch this vid, and I can tell - my brain is on, my feelings are off. And I can also tell that I'm not getting everything that is on the screen, not even close. My response is not unbridled squee, the way it was to Wouldn't It Be Nice. It's more, "Wow, I'd better watch that a whole bunch more times." I still don't get every frame. (A better vid-watcher, for the record, totally would. I'm not good at this, remember?)

I love The Lonely People. But if you have a hard time with vids, you'd probably be much better off with Wouldn't It Be Nice.


So. Once you're, you know, watching vids, what do you watch for? There's actually a lot of things - no, really, I have meta even longer than this about that, but I'm sparing you. Because I'm a nice person! ("Long-winded, but nice." This is what I'm hoping goes on my gravestone.) Instead, here's a short course: four things that are worth considering about any vid you watch.

If vids don't come naturally to you, you need to start at the very beginning. (It's a very good place to start, after all.) This is why starting with one-note humor vids worked well for me; I had the whole vid to digest the concept. (Snape is teh hawtt, for example.) And for me, the very beginning of vid comprehension was lyrics, music, beat, and shiny. I actually broke it down that way at the beginning, because I just couldn't focus on everything at once.

Lyrics. I think these are sometimes the easiest for word-driven people to key into. Check out this vid: Papa, Don't Preach, by fan_eunice and trelkez. Torchwood, but I...cannot imagine that it matters if you know the fandom, for this vid. It's more important that you know fandom. Also that you have a screw loose in your head, but I think that goes without saying in these parts. Watch it a couple of times. See how the lyrics totally change the meaning of the footage? Suddenly we have MPreg! Where - okay, I think technically MPreg is canon in this fandom, but I am fairly sure the Master (blond guy) never actually knocked Jack (pregnant guy, and how much do I love fandom that it made me type that phrase?) up. This is a fairly extreme example, but this is one of the things that lyrics can do: create an alternate reality. A vidder who is really using her lyrics can do awesome, amazing things with them. And also make you laugh your ass off, in this particular case.

Music. For music, I'm suggesting you watch Circles (under The West Wing). We're back to laurashapiro, here, but she has vidded the unviddable fandom, and it's a perfect example of how you use music. See, I know nothing about The West Wing (except that it involves politics), but I can watch this vid perfectly and utterly entranced, because - okay. Watch how the music works, here, or how Laura works the music. Watch it once for the way the camera moves. Watch it another time for how characters are matched to - to sounds? To instruments? I don't even know, because my musical knowledge consists entirely of "notes + [magic of some kind] = yay!" But this is an unusually good vid to watch as an example of a vidder's music comprehension, and it gives examples of the major things to watch for in other vids. (If you're lost when you're looking at an instrumental vid, try breaking apart the music. What matches to what?)

Beats. Often, hitting the beat is like the punctuation of vids - it's only really noticeable when it's screwed up. And, like punctuation, there are several ways to do it right, to make it work. (Oh, do not even argue with me. English does not have comma usage rules, it has comma usage guidelines.) Three ways that I see a lot: cutting on the beat so that the edit happens when you expect it, hitting the beat with internal movement so that your inner beat monster is satisfied and your attention is focused, and hitting the beat with effects so that your inner beat monster can basically roll around and wave its paws about with glee. Freestyler (under Smallville, because it is!), by obsessive24 uses all those means, and let's just say it is really easy to see the way great vidders use beat in this vid. The actual vid is about Green Arrow, although not exactly Green Arrow as I know him from DCU-land. There are arrows. It is shiny. That's...pretty much all I know. But the beat is entrancing, even so.

Shiny. Perhaps the ultimate examples of shiny are to be found in anime vidding, but it can totally be the kind of shiny that removes your head. So let's focus on a slightly more subtle shiny. Or perhaps I should first define what I mean by shiny. Shiny is using the full suite of vidding tools, in my mind, or rather, using the right tools for the job. Some people make gorgeous vids that are entirely edits, and that's awesome; some people make gorgeous vids that use a lot of the mystical secrets that lurk deep in software that, oh my god, you would not believe what it costs. lim is a good example of the latter kind of vidder; she uses frames like canvas, and the result is - well. As one example, the result can be In Exchange for Your Tomorrows. Now. I have seen some discussion of this, and my interpretation of it does not match other people's. (Basically, I see this as a dark take on Hogwarts itself: how it draws in and destroys the lives of certain people - Snape, Voldemort, Harry. For me, it's a vid about what people have given up and lost for magic. I cannot help but notice that other people see something totally else, but that's the miracle of vidding!) But I will tell you this: this is a damn shiny vid. It's not, you know, all color filters and brightness - quite the opposite - but the artistry is undeniable, and the intensity of what Lim's done with the canon footage is unmistakable. Especially if you know the movies at all - well. This is not your standard children's movie footage, is what I'm saying.

So. That's my, um, somewhat long-winded (But, hey you should see the part I cut! Seriously, there's a whole other post in there, and it has several baby posts hanging off it, too.) approach to gnomad's request. Which was, after all, to point out some cool things that people are doing with vids, things that might be interesting to a non-vid-watcher.

Here they are: cool things. Hope you liked it, gnomad. Happy Sweet Charity!
 
 
 
lynnmonsterlynnmonster on March 31st, 2008 07:22 am (UTC)
First off, let me say that this was a wonderful post, especially since I have been very much in a vid-place lately (am downloading from AMV as I type!). I look forward to checking out some of your examples that I'm unfamiliar with.

Second:

There's a difference between Ulysses and Harry Potter (yes, I know that there are several differences, actually - like, I really don't think Leopold Bloom casts expelliarmus even once)

Crying. Laughing.

I woke up my husband and just had to hand-wave helplessly when asked for explanation.
tried to eat the safe banana: Daisythefourthvine on March 31st, 2008 04:20 pm (UTC)
am downloading from AMV as I type!

*bounce bounce bounce*

Would you like to exchange favorite AMV tips? I have great and possibly insane love for AMVs!

I woke up my husband and just had to hand-wave helplessly when asked for explanation.

Um, my apologies to your husband? (Although, really, we all suffer together; I've been trying to imagine a Ulysses x Harry Potter crossover ever since I wrote that - because, really, Leopold Bloom deserves the chance to cast a few spells, don't you think? - and it is making my brain hurt.)
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tried to eat the safe banana: Vidsthefourthvine on March 31st, 2008 04:22 pm (UTC)
That is such an awesome vid. I mean, okay, I think it maybe should come with a warning label - based on our reaction the first time we watched, perhaps CHOKING HAZARD would be the appropriate one - but, wow, so very worth it. (And doubly worth it if you live in California.)
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lilacsigil: 12 Apostleslilacsigil on March 31st, 2008 07:57 am (UTC)
I'm another person who doesn't understand vids (or, more precisely, plot in vids) but this is a great list to help me try, try again. Thanks!
tried to eat the safe banana: Vidsthefourthvine on March 31st, 2008 04:26 pm (UTC)
Thank you!

Perhaps we should form a club for people who don't get vids. We could exchange helpless vid commentaries ("I...think it's about Buffy. Yeah, I'm pretty sure about that, anyway.") and offer support to people who share the affliction!

And plot in vids is hard, which is why it can be nice to start with vids that have a very simple central theme. (I'm a big fan of the theme "X and Y are so doing it," but to each her own.)
Daegaerdaegaer on March 31st, 2008 08:00 am (UTC)
Oh, brilliant!

And I'm glad to know other people have my problem with the shiny flickering pictures. Also, I will never be able to listen to Madonna again without sniggering.
tried to eat the safe banana: Vidsthefourthvine on March 31st, 2008 04:29 pm (UTC)
And I'm glad to know other people have my problem with the shiny flickering pictures.

There are many of us! You are not alone!

Also, I will never be able to listen to Madonna again without sniggering.

I think that may have been precisely what fan_eunice and trelkez intended. I mean, I can just tell that they had some kind of evil plan when they made that vid, and that might be it. Although further research is required. In the form of multiple vid-watchings, I think.
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tried to eat the safe banana: Vidsthefourthvine on March 31st, 2008 04:29 pm (UTC)
Thank you! And, yes, I am a fan of shiny things being pimped at me. (I do have a real life, but I try not to let it interfere with my love of shiny. Magpies manage, is my theory; probably I can too.)
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dodificus: gaiusdodificus on March 31st, 2008 10:01 am (UTC)
It took me *so* long to 'get' vids, to really appreciate them and eventually love them. But, god, it was so worth it when everything clicked.
tried to eat the safe banana: Vidsthefourthvine on March 31st, 2008 04:39 pm (UTC)
It is an amazing feeling. I was so happy when I realized, hey, I'm starting to get this! It's making sense! It was totally worth the time and effort and confusion just for that feeling (um, although that's probably only true for people with a strong puzzle drive), so the joy and wonder that vids now bring me is like dessert. A really fabulous dessert that just doesn't end.

Vids! Yay!
Narahtemily_shore on March 31st, 2008 11:00 am (UTC)
I have seen some discussion of this, and my interpretation of it does not match other people's.

Could you by any chance point me to this? I'd love to read it.
tried to eat the safe banana: Vidsthefourthvine on March 31st, 2008 04:40 pm (UTC)
*sad* I don't bookmark vid commentary, sadly, and the vid came out a while ago, so I don't even remember where I saw it. I remember the content but not the posters. I'm so sorry!
threerings: hello_fangirlthreerings on March 31st, 2008 11:37 am (UTC)
I've been struggling with vids for a few years now. I feel like I am now at a place where I can understand most vids, although I still get the occasional "Huh?" moment. So I appreciate your post, if only to make me realize I'm not alone.

I would totally love to see the baby posts and offshoots and other wonderful bits of your brain.
tried to eat the safe banana: Vidsthefourthvine on March 31st, 2008 05:04 pm (UTC)
So I appreciate your post, if only to make me realize I'm not alone.

You are totally not alone. There are many fans to whom vids just don't come naturally, and I think it's incredibly exciting and cool that those fans are, these days, watching vids anyway. (And I'd love to hear more about how you got from ? to ! with vids. I'm always fascinated by that process, since I went through it myself.)

I would totally love to see the baby posts and offshoots and other wonderful bits of your brain.

*eyes cut-out bits* Um, probably that will happen sooner or later. It's just kind of daunting that I made such a long post and have so much random stuff left. When I get typing, I apparently do not stop.
there's nobody here but us chickensincidental_fire on March 31st, 2008 11:58 am (UTC)
This was just fascinating. I'm at the vid-watching point where I really like vids, but only if I know the underlying canon, otherwise I get bored within about 5 seconds. So this is very cool, giving me reasons to watch vids where I don't know the canon and ideas about what to look for. (Other than waiting for those pop-up name tags, which I so want.)
tried to eat the safe banana: Vidsthefourthvine on March 31st, 2008 05:06 pm (UTC)
I'm at the vid-watching point where I really like vids, but only if I know the underlying canon, otherwise I get bored within about 5 seconds.

Oh, interesting! Does it need to be canon you've seen before, or can it just be canon you know about/have read in/whatever?

Other than waiting for those pop-up name tags, which I so want.

Consider it, TV on DVD manufacturers! You would have my thanks and my money! (Of course, these are the same people who seem to think subtitles are optional, which in fact they are totally not. So I probably should give up now on expecting, you know, thoughtful extras from them.)
Paceuspaceus on March 31st, 2008 12:02 pm (UTC)
*downloads like mad*

Thank you for this! Really informative and convincing recs. I usually don't download a lot of vids, especially in fandoms I'm not familiar with, but you constantly make me think "But wait... if it's really that good... shouldn't I take a look?" "Long-winded and wickedly convincing" also applies to you!

watching it then, it was just a vid I totally understood. It was slash! But in pictures instead of words!

This is really cute -- but I also completely understand. That was pretty much my first understanding-a-vid experience, and it blew my mind. Using pictures instead of words! Ossim.

My first watching-a-vid-without-understanding experience was much like yours too: so frustrating -- obviously the vidders were trying to tell me something, but I just couldn't understand it! My reaction was surprisingly strong, too. Perhaps I've got used to being around people who talk about things I can relate to and understand in fandom. We share amazing things that outsiders don't understand; when suddenly I felt like an outsider myself, it was tough. Fortunately perseverance paid off and now I understand a bit more.
Paceuspaceus on March 31st, 2008 07:18 pm (UTC)
After watching:

I love Freestyler! The beat! There really is an inner beat monster inside me and it does wave its paws! I think I know all the three ways of hitting the beat, and wow, that vid really makes me enjoy it. And all the arrows and shiny! Wow.

I also enjoyed Pon de Replay. So doing it is one of my favourite themes, too. Then I watched Rodeohead, and this is funny -- with Freestyler I didn't even remember what the fandom was before I saw the guy that I recognise from Smallville (never seen the actual show), and I also don't know Entourage, but I do know Firefly and it seemed to interfere with my enjoyment of the vid. I kept thinking which episodes the scenes were from and trying to make sense of the story, not just letting the visuals wash over me like with Pon de Replay and Freestyler. Knowing the canon made me think why specific scenes were chosen and it felt like I should watch it several times, too -- I was watching it intellectually, I suppose. For all I know (since I've only seen it once so far) it's not an intellectual vid at all and the clips are chosen because they're funny and look cool, but me knowing the canon made me try to make sense of the vid in context of the canon nevertheless.

Circles: Omg the instruments! The violin and the guy with the long coat! He is that violin -- his face, even his shoulders! Wow. Your notes really help: I don't think I could have watched an instrumental vid without them. Now I feel I got something out of the vid.

In Exchange for Your Tomorrows still leaves me confused, but damn, it looks good. I mostly understand the way you do, or actually, what you said about it being about Hogwarts made more sense to me than any other interpretation (not that I had my hands full of interpretations while watching it -- I can still be very dumb when it comes to vids).

Thanks for the recs! And the meta. I would read those other posts and baby posts too, you know. *looks expectant*
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Kass: veronica and wallacekassrachel on March 31st, 2008 12:34 pm (UTC)
I really don't think Leopold Bloom casts expelliarmus even once

I seriously love you for that line. :-)

Also, yay! Vid recs and vid meta and snark and squee all rolled into one! This makes me so happy.

Also, your journey w/r/t vids seems to be a lot like mine (only it took me longer to figure out that vids were a conversation I genuinely cared about being a part of; for a long while I was so exasperated by not understanding them that I only wanted to see vids that featured MY characters, which can really hamper a girl) so this post resonates for me a ton.
tried to eat the safe banana: Writhesthefourthvine on March 31st, 2008 07:51 pm (UTC)
I seriously love you for that line.

Then you will probably have to marry Lynn in a shotgun wedding after you see what she did, OMG. It's just AMAZING.

Also, your journey w/r/t vids seems to be a lot like mine (only it took me longer to figure out that vids were a conversation I genuinely cared about being a part of; for a long while I was so exasperated by not understanding them that I only wanted to see vids that featured MY characters, which can really hamper a girl) so this post resonates for me a ton.

I would be interested in talking more about your journey toward vids, when you have time. (Which I know is so very much not now. But when you have time!) It's a fascinating topic to me. Um. Obviously.

And I most definitely had my moments of total lack of appreciation of vids - I remember when I read laurashapiro's dS stuff, early in my fannish experience, and realized she was vidding instead of writing these days and thought, what a waste. I...just really did not get it. (Also, I think what paceus said, above, about feeling left out - that might have been a factor there, too.) But then I looked around and realized that these people, who had such impressive LJs and so many impressive thoughts, wouldn't be vidding unless it meant something. And then my curiosity kicked in. I am beset with curiosity, and I always want to know what people are saying. This was an advantage for me with vids. And I'm grateful, because they are so very worth it. *admires their shininess*
(no subject) - laurashapiro on March 31st, 2008 09:27 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Laura Shapiro: joy by sdwolfpuplaurashapiro on March 31st, 2008 01:22 pm (UTC)
Wow. gnomad may have had the winning bid, but I'm thinking we *all* win here.

This is great stuff! And I'm not just saying that because you recced me a lot. (:
tried to eat the safe banana: Vidsthefourthvine on March 31st, 2008 07:53 pm (UTC)
*beams*

Thank you! And thank you for unlocking your site - it made this post so much easier to write. I mean, I know you didn't do it for that, but I bounced with glee when I saw you had; your timing could not have been more perfect for me.
(no subject) - laurashapiro on March 31st, 2008 07:57 pm (UTC) (Expand)
fabellawistful_fever on March 31st, 2008 02:48 pm (UTC)
Oh! This is so excellent, I want to roll around it.

*re-reads*
tried to eat the safe banana: Vidsthefourthvine on March 31st, 2008 08:21 pm (UTC)
*beams*

Thank you so much!
Blue: SF - Bed of Rosesblue_meridian on March 31st, 2008 03:00 pm (UTC)
Big cheers to gnomad for requesting a Sweet Charity boon that we can all benefit from!! I've watched a number of vids and I'm still a Beginning Vid Connoisseur (years on dial-up can hamper a fandom education that way). YAY!!
tried to eat the safe banana: Vidsthefourthvine on March 31st, 2008 08:24 pm (UTC)
Thank you!

I'm still a Beginning Vid Connoisseur

Me, too. *considers adding BVC as letters after her name, for added coolness*

years on dial-up can hamper a fandom education that way

*nods*

This is very true. There should be a rotating vid library that goes out to fans stuck on dial-up.
Vonnie: The Radio Dept.: Lesser Mattersvonniek on March 31st, 2008 03:38 pm (UTC)
Yay! That was awesome to read. Some of the vids mentioned here are new to me and I shall go download forthwith.

I remember the days back when I used to think schmoopy shipper vids (which on retrospect were so clearly Lord King Bad vids) were the BEST THING EVER. Hahaha, oh man. I still love some of these. The emotional vs. intellectual response debate continues to fascinate me.
tried to eat the safe banana: Vidsthefourthvine on March 31st, 2008 08:28 pm (UTC)
Schmoopy shipper vids! They are totally another good place to enter vid fandom, because, well, there's often just the one note you have to grasp: John & Aeryn = TRUE LOVE FOREVER. (Substitute character names as appropriate.)

Oh, I have loved many a shipper vid in my time. *wistful memories*

The emotional vs. intellectual response debate continues to fascinate me.

Me, too. It's - in some ways, it mirrors the similar dichotomy that you find in fan fiction, but I'm fascinated to note that I react to emotional v. intellectual in very different ways, depending on if it's a vid or a story. I keep hoping someone really smart will whip out a meta piece on this topic. *looks around for someone who can be volunteered*

We need people to offer meta in Sweet Charity. That is totally what we need.