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13 August 2004 @ 09:31 pm
Rant: Enough Is Enough; or, Signs I've Read Too Much Fan Fiction  
In other words: I've lost it, and it's time for another bitter, mean-spirited, entirely unnecessary rant. If you're still in the dewy-eyed phase of FF love - in other words, if you see nothing wrong with "Harry eagerly mouthed Snape's huge, aching, weeping cock, laving it with his tongue and nibbling it until Snape screamed with his gushing release" - don't look behind the cut.



Let's start with the three that commenters reminded me of after the last rant*.
  • Ghost. Very evocative, no doubt, of a sort of gentle, shivery, not-quite touch. But you can have too much of ghosting in a sex scene; we've reached a point where in some cases it seems to be not so much, say, Kowalski/Fraser as Kowalski/Fraser/Unusually Frisky Legions of the Undead.

  • Card. Again, a term that describes a certain behavior clearly, and we could all use clearer descriptions when it comes to FF. But, really, this one only works if one of the partners has long hair. Even then there should probably be a two-card limit in any given story. And please, folks, let us have no more carding of chest hair. This is only appropriate if one of the partners is a sheep. And no one should take that as an invitation to write sheepslash.

  • Shell of an ear. Unless your character has seashells attached to his head (and if he does, I love you), this phrase has extremely dubious utility. For one thing, it makes me mutter, "Your ears are like petals, Grace! Veritable petals!" And that kind of thing is really difficult to explain. For another, it has been done somewhere beyond being done to death. And, finally, the kicker: it isn't even that descriptive. Seriously. Go to a mirror. Look at your ear. Does it not look far more like a dried apricot or a prune than a shell? It does. So you should not use "he licked his shell of an ear" until you have used "he licked his prune of an ear" at least twice.
And now for the all-new ones, i.e., clear indications that I should be getting out more than I do. Or maybe meditating or something.
  • Sensitized. I happily read past this the first 3,000 times I saw it. The next 3,000, which seemed to pass in a matter of days, had me wincing slightly. I have now reached the point where I am so sensitized to "sensitized" that every time I see it I snap, "What, sensitive isn't good enough for you? Maybe you should try being sensitish or sensitic! Maybe you're suffering from sensitism! Maybe you're just too damn sensitiful and sensity and sensitianesque!"

  • Needful. Is there some Guide to Writing Good Hot Sex somewhere that says that "needful" is a sexy word and "needy" and "necessary" are not? Because even if there is, know that there's a lifetime limit on this word. And if you've written more than four thousand words of FF, you're probably over the limit already. Time to see what "needy" or "necessary" can do for you.

  • Fisting. Do I need to explain why this is a problem word? I do? OK. See, yes, this is a very evocative term to describe clenching, for example, the sheets, usually from sheer sexual ecstasy (but sometimes because your cock is sensitized, or because you're feeling needful). But it also describes a sex act, and, see...OK. I should not have to tell you about that sex act. If you're writing NC-17 FF, you should already know about it. So let me just say: it's a good word. In moderation. But maybe you want to think twice about it in certain contexts, and that goes triple if you're using it in the phrase "fisting his cock," which makes me recoil in horror every time I read it.

  • Flashing. This should be used exclusively to describe the activity involving a trenchcoat and a lack of underpants. The only appropriate use of the phrase "flashing eyes" is when one is describing Scott Summers without his glasses on. Also, tiny hint for you: if your original character has flashing eyes, you might want to ask someone for an unbiased opinion about whether she's a Mary Sue. Because the chance is there. More than there. I'm sorry, but it's better you know, right?

  • People are allowed to say things. Hell, I encourage it. In America, it's a right, written into the Constitution and everything. So no need to be shy about having your characters do it. Yes, "said" substitutes are occasionally nice, but if your characters routinely utter, wail, articulate, orate, hiss, declaim, or allow words to escape their lips, they're being drama queens. Annoying drama queens, if that isn't redundant. Someone needs to give them a good hearty smacking, and I would like to be the first to volunteer.

  • Random word mutations. "Never mind" is not one word. No, it isn't. No. It isn't. Neither is "all right." Neither is "shut up." Neither is "how come." This is not German, people. This is English, and we do not just randomly combine any damn words we feel like combining. We really don't. So stop writing as though we do.

  • Pleasure nubbins. Can we just say nipples? I can. Can we therefore skip nubs and buds and - please god no no no - nips? I definitely can, and I encourage you to give it a try.

  • Cunny, peach, box, yoni, ya-ya, and bunny. (Special thanks to norah for bringing up this one.) If you can't bring yourself to write "cunt," for god's sake don't think these words will let you off the hook. They will only put you on another hook - the one on which we hang people who use terrible, terrible synonyms for female genitals. It may be het, but that does not give you a free pass to write your sex scenes in language five-year-olds have given up as childish.

  • Towering, proud, generous, rampant, and jutting. Cocks do not tower, at least not in my world, and I am sincerely grateful for that. And while their owners may in fact be proud of them, cocks themselves typically do not have such high self-esteem. And, again, while their owners may be generous, cocks aren't usually all that philanthropic. (Yes, yes, I know the ones we read about do love men. It isn't the same thing at all. Trust me.) Rampant sounds like what a male bovine does on a hot day; cocks should not be rampant unless they are on a coat of arms (and if you've ever written about, say, Aragorn's coat of arms featuring nine cocks rampant, or whatever, know that I love you). And jutting is what piers do, for god's sake. Please, either find new adjectives or explore the world of adjective-free cocks. I'm begging.

  • Special note for Sentinel writers. "Hippie" is what Blair is. "Hippy" is what the women Blair dates (or, in your stories, probably doesn't date) are. When you say Blair is a hippy witchdoctor, what you're actually saying is that he's a curvaceous practitioner of traditional medicine. Which he isn't. Unless of course you want him to be - your story. But you should know what you're saying about the boy. (And please don't tell me the dictionary lists "hippy" as an alternate spelling for "hippie." I know that. It does that because people misuse the word so much. But when there's a choice between two spellings, and one spelling leads to confusion and one doesn't, do you know which one you should choose? That's right! The not-confusing one! We have enough trouble with pronouns in fan fiction without deliberately causing further confusion, y'know?)

  • Special note to Due South writers. "Mountie" is a noun. You can use it as an adjective, yes, but only with great caution. And be aware that phrases like "Mountie cock" and "Mountie ass" (especially if "hot, sweet" precedes "Mountie") can derail a sex scene like nothing else on this planet; yes, they can also work just fine, but if you're in any kind of doubt at all, you probably should just skip the whole Mountie thing. And while we're on the topic? I don't know what the hell a Mounty is, but he isn't a member of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. And please don't ever, ever, write a sentence thus: "The Mountie panted as he mounted Ray." Because those kinds of things can strike a person blind and insane.
Yes, I realize you're all thinking I need some kind of sedative, but these things needed to be said. They really did. Or, well, I needed to say them.

-Footnote-

* Got one I didn't mention? I want to hear it. I encourage you to be as pedantic and difficult as possible; it will make me feel better about this rant, for one thing.
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Carbohydrates! Now in people shapes!: (snark) never experience joy againjuniper200 on August 13th, 2004 10:53 pm (UTC)
I've seen "eat out" show up in some of my fandoms to describe a passionate, almost violent kiss. But "eat out" has only two meanings: a) go to Applebee's; b) perform cunnilingus. Kissing -- the tradtional kind, that is -- doesn't even enter into it.
tried to eat the safe banana: word whore  - MMWDthefourthvine on August 14th, 2004 02:43 am (UTC)
How right you are. "Eat out," when used for passionate kissing, makes me think of those horrible scenes in movies where the actors display their true love for each other via a sincere and apparently nearly successful attempt to consume each other's lips.

In fact, I'd like people to think twice before they use "eat out" even to describe cunnilingus. I just think such a fun act deserves a more pleasant colloquial phrase.
Very inconvenient, as now I have no shaving-glassdzurlady on August 13th, 2004 10:56 pm (UTC)
Hey! Never commented here before, but I am soo with you on these that I just had to join in. I have two more irritating things:
1) 'Noble rod'. Why? Why?
2) 'Meat'. It makes me think that a steak (or something) has somehow ended up in an improbable place...
tried to eat the safe banana: pedant pride - MMWDthefourthvine on August 14th, 2004 02:47 am (UTC)
1) 'Noble rod'. Why? Why?

There can be no good answer to this question. And bad ones could only serve to drive us all insane. It's a double whammy, actually; "noble" falls into the same category of "proud" when it comes to adjectives that go (or don't go) with "cock," and "rod" is prominent member (hee!) of a category I didn't even discuss - horrible synonyms for penis.

2) 'Meat'. It makes me think that a steak (or something) has somehow ended up in an improbable place...

Oh, god. It's so true. But you know what's even worse than plain ol' meat? Man meat! Some authors evidently feel that it's not enough to bring food into bed with us; they want us to bring cannibalism along, too.
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Sienamystic: de chiricosienamystic on August 13th, 2004 10:57 pm (UTC)
People use...card? In a sexual sense, involving body hair? Carding like you do to wool? Congratulations, you've completely made me boggle. I had no idea. Is it like, a different way of saying "He ran his fingers through X's chest hair?"

I always thought that anybody who used the word "tumescent" was asking for his or her reader to be popped out of the mood, but I don't know if that's a common fanfic crutch.
tried to eat the safe banana: word whore  - MMWDthefourthvine on August 14th, 2004 02:53 am (UTC)
People use...card? In a sexual sense, involving body hair? Carding like you do to wool?

Yes, yes, and yes. I'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you this.

Is it like, a different way of saying "He ran his fingers through X's chest hair?"

Again, yes. Or sometimes it means "he ran his fingers through the hair on X's head." It's bad news either way, except possibly in The Sentinel FF, because Blair really does have woolly hair.

And as for "tumescent" - I haven't seen this much in FF, although it does crop up in the occasional "I have a thesaurus and I'm not afraid to use it" style of writing. Often it's paired with "organ," which in my opinion lends an unfortunate and extremely undesirable medical overtone to the story.
Raven: cute Stitch by mrquacklesraveninthewind on August 13th, 2004 11:44 pm (UTC)
Bwahaha! You made me howl at this: Please, either find new adjectives or explore the world of adjective-free cocks. I'm begging.
tried to eat the safe banana: word whore  - MMWDthefourthvine on August 14th, 2004 02:54 am (UTC)
Oh, good. And thanks for telling me. I was in two minds about posting this one; on the one hand, I did feel a pressing need to get this off my chest, but on the other, I wasn't sure if it would come off as amusing or just really, really mean.
plus one skeletondelurker on August 14th, 2004 12:11 am (UTC)
But you can have too much of ghosting in a sex scene; we've reached a point where in some cases it seems to be not so much, say, Kowalski/Fraser as Kowalski/Fraser/Unusually Frisky Legions of the Undead.
*snickers* *grins*
And, given that dS actually has a ghost...


I loved this! So funny! And yet, sadly, so very true.
tried to eat the safe banana: Love writing - wanderlustloverthefourthvine on August 14th, 2004 02:57 am (UTC)
And, given that dS actually has a ghost...

That's actually why I chose dS as my example for that one; in that fandom, references to "ghosting" inevitably bring Bob Fraser to mind. And if there's anything that can kill a mood faster than Bob, I don't want to know about it. Or, please god please, read about it in the middle of a sex scene.

I loved this! So funny! And yet, sadly, so very true.

I'm very glad to hear it. Thank you!
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Hel Virago: Maskhelvirago on August 14th, 2004 12:20 am (UTC)
Rather along the lines of people saying things, rather than spitting or hissing or expositioning them, I'd rather writers err on the side of possibly confusing "he"s than overusing descriptives to avoid it. I myself once read a couple of pages of an eight-part story which used "the dark-haired boy" eight separate times in three screens' worth of text. Rather than "he" or, say, "Harry Potter".
tried to eat the safe banana: pedant pride - MMWDthefourthvine on August 14th, 2004 02:37 am (UTC)
You're so right; the tortured lengths some writers will go to for pronoun synonyms can drive a reader totally insane.

And descriptives are also death to sex scenes. If Aragorn and Legolas are getting it on, it's unlikely Aragorn will think of his partner as "the Elf" or "the archer," and it's also unlikely Legolas will reflect on "the Man's proud organ" or "the Ranger's stubbled cheeks." Yes, slash has an endemic pronoun problem and always will, but even so, "he" is a much better way to go.

And, hey, while I'm on the topic: not only is it better to overuse a pronoun than to go for silly substitute terms, but it's also better to overuse a pronoun than to have pages of unattributed dialog with no narrative at all. Yes, I've seen people do this and do it well, but generally a) the characters do not have such distinctive voices that they can be told apart and b) the author herself gets lost in the dialog and screws up on who is saying what. Pronouns are the lesser of the evils. Definitely.
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Innocent Bystanderfiresprite1105 on August 14th, 2004 02:00 am (UTC)
Yes. Yes, yes, YES!

To every freaking one of these.

Also, I'd like to nominate using the verb "gobbled" in a sex scene. Ye, verily, I have actually seen this. Several times. Once involving Snape and Harry, and neither had a turkey animagus form. (Ouch. Ouch. Oooh, going to hell now.)

Ye, verily, I have witnessed sexual gobbling, and I have wept. ;P
tried to eat the safe banana: word whore  - MMWDthefourthvine on August 14th, 2004 03:04 am (UTC)
Ye, verily, I have witnessed sexual gobbling, and I have wept.

Oh my GOD. You have my sympathy, because that is one horrible word to find in a sex scene. As I read your comment, I kept imagining it being used to describe various sex acts, and each image was worse than the one before. Not a happy word choice, that.

Once involving Snape and Harry, and neither had a turkey animagus form.

*snerk* (And if you're going to hell for that one, you will not be alone, because I will definitely be condemned to hell for some of my more unfortunate thoughts and remarks. Hey, maybe we should meet for coffee while we're down there!)
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tried to eat the safe banana: word whore  - MMWDthefourthvine on August 14th, 2004 05:00 am (UTC)
Of course!
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Waiting at Crossroads: musebunny-fuzipenguinguede_mazaka on August 14th, 2004 06:07 am (UTC)
Overall, total agreement though I have and probably will use a few of these. Writing sex scenes is like grammar usage--you don't break the rules until you know every single damned one of them.

*pats* Go read some old viva_gloria. It'll settle your stomach.
tried to eat the safe banana: pedant pride - MMWDthefourthvine on August 14th, 2004 11:52 am (UTC)
I have and probably will use a few of these. Writing sex scenes is like grammar usage--you don't break the rules until you know every single damned one of them.

Oh, totally. I mean, I'm pretty sure I could come up with counter-examples for every one of my points, stories that do successfully what I said no one should ever do at all. (And who died and made me Queen of Fangirlia?) It's just - well, actually, viva_gloria is a perfect example. She can get away with a 1,200 word story that contains only one sentence. But that doesn't mean that your average ff.net writer has the slightest chance of doing so.

It's like writing free verse. Anyone can do it, in the sense of putting words together on paper, but it takes serious talent to do it well. And, unfortunately, it seems that the less talent people have, the less they understand that fact.

(But you, my sweet, clearly do have the talent. I therefore grant you a limited license to break the rules. Sure, said license is not actually good for anything - although it is suitable for framing! - but the next time you write about ghosting or carding or whatever, you can feel a warm glow, knowing you have the Queen of Fangirlia's approval.)
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the upper echelons of mediocrity: friesthe_star_fish on August 14th, 2004 07:13 am (UTC)
Re: Fisting -- yes!!!! Or, rather, no. Because the first time I read the phrase "fisting his cock" I spent about five minutes trying to imagine how the hell that would work (ow, ew, ow). Even fisting of the sheets will make me stop and re-read ...

Re: Random word mutations: another big yes!!! Although "nevermind" as dialog makes me think someone's imitating Miss Emily Litella (from early SNL) and if that's what the author's going for it works, but generally, no. I think "alright" can be blamed on The Who (and sadly, it's in the dictionary as an alternate spelling now) but I hate it.

(I have used "ghosted" but I promise never to do so again. *g*)
tried to eat the safe banana: pedant pride - MMWDthefourthvine on August 14th, 2004 12:02 pm (UTC)
Thank god I'm not alone on the fisting thing. And especially the "fisting his cock" thing; I seriously wondered, about the 100th time I read that, if I was the only one who was simultaneously horrified and mystified by that phrase.

And I do see the utility of blending words in dialog. I may not exactly love it, but there are places where it works. (Although I think I'm slightly hampered here. Who is Miss Emily Litella? And what is SNL? Is there a fandom I - gasp! - don't know about?) But when people do it in narrative, or do it because they think that's the right way to write those words, I get all frothy at the mouth. That isn't a pretty thing. Not at all.

(Hey, "ghosted" is descriptive. And I've got nothing against the use of the word in moderation. It's just - some stories give me the impression that there's a list of rules out there for FF sex scenes, and one of those rules is that at least one character must ghost on every page.)
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Gondor's Finest Brothersfaramir_boromir on August 14th, 2004 08:13 am (UTC)
Just so you know...you might find a soul-sister (or soul-brother) over HERE.

And personally, carded/card/cards/carding drives me up the freaking wall.
tried to eat the safe banana: pedant pride - MMWDthefourthvine on August 14th, 2004 12:08 pm (UTC)
You know, I've always loved Resonant. And now I know why. The woman knows how (and when) to give good rant.

And as for card/carded/carding, I want to see a Card Challenge on some flashfiction community: write a story using "card" in the sense of playing cards, or Hallmark cards, or asking for ID, or winding wool. It'd really help rehabilitate the word.
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Mannamanna on August 14th, 2004 08:31 am (UTC)
(And please don't tell me the dictionary lists "hippy" as an alternate spelling for "hippie." I know that. It does that because people misuse the word so much.

The Oxford English Dictionary very clearly lists 'hippy' as the primary spelling for both the hips and the lifestyle, and gives hippie as a variant spelling for the lifestyle.


One phrase which makes me blink is 'throbbing cock'. Not when the point of view is the owner of said throbbing cock, because I've asked, and apparently that's a reasonable description of how it can feel. But from a third party's perspective? I've never personally seen a cock throb, and I'm not sure I'd want to. Twitch, yes. Bob, indeed. Throb? Not so much. Likewise, less of the 'pulsating', please.

Since I've got the dictionary open, 'come' is a perfectly good noun, beloved by the OED, while 'cum' is both ugly and totally unnecessary. And 'cummed' is just...no. No.

Oh, and while I'm venting, 'a while' and 'awhile' are not the same thing.

Ahh. Thank you :-)
Epigonelikethesun2 on August 14th, 2004 08:41 am (UTC)
Oh, and while I'm venting, 'a while' and 'awhile' are not the same thing.

Oh, boy, points to you. :) May I also offer the much-abused "every day" versus "everyday"?
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dodyskin on August 14th, 2004 08:33 am (UTC)
Pedantic?
Cunny is a variant of cunt that goes right back to ME. It's not an infantilisation of cunt, it's a dialect variation. It's often mistakenly thought to be from the Latin cunnus, meaning vulva, where the endlessly amusing cunnilingus comes from. In fact it is germanic in origin.
tried to eat the safe banana: word whore  - MMWDthefourthvine on August 15th, 2004 02:01 am (UTC)
Re: Pedantic?
I stand by my statement that cunny is an icky word, especially when used for something that is actually rather nice. But I'll take back any association between it and infantile - that was intended to apply mostly to "ya-ya" and "bunny" anyway.

(And the Germans are responsible for "cunny," are they? Hmmmmmm...)
Epigonelikethesun2 on August 14th, 2004 08:39 am (UTC)
I don't read a great deal of explicit fanfic, so some of these I've never even come across (I'm still kind of aghast over "carding"), but let me just say--

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for coming out against "nevermind." That has been one of my pet peeves since forever, but no one's ever just stood up and screamed that no, damn it, that's wrong. (Probably this means I should have, and didn't have the guts. Oh, well.)

On a similar note, the single thing that is most likely to turn me off a story is another usage quirk-- failure to include commas in direct address. The next time I read something like "'Luke I have a bad feeling about this,' said Han," I will cut my own throat.
Katta: Mason Darwin awardskattahj on August 14th, 2004 09:22 am (UTC)
The next time I read something like "'Luke I have a bad feeling about this,' said Han," I will cut my own throat.


The danger of sloppy reading: for a second there I thought Han was going to cut his throat. :-)

And yes, this is incredibly annoying, particularly when the meaning becomes confused because of it. "I know, Bobby" and "I know Bobby" does not mean the same thing.
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Daegaerdaegaer on August 14th, 2004 08:57 am (UTC)
How about "plunder" used to mean "kiss energetically"? Back when I read Hercules fanfic, poor Iolaus was always getting his mouth plundered. No. Just no.
tried to eat the safe banana: word whore  - MMWDthefourthvine on August 14th, 2004 12:43 pm (UTC)
I don't read Hercules FF, and I know nothing about the canon. So I have to ask: is Iolaus a wealthy hamster? Does he store precious gems in his cheek pouches? Currency, maybe? Because if he doesn't, there is no excuse for using "plundered" as a synonym for "kissed."

(The only fandom I can see where "plunder" might reasonably describe a kiss is Pirates of the Caribbean. And even then, it'd have to be Jack Sparrow being kissed, and the person doing the kissing would have to have a serious yen for gold teeth and a prehensile tongue. And - ew. Ew. I'm now seriously regretting that I went there.)

In other words: I have not seen "plunder" used that way (or if I have, it was such a scarring experience that I've blocked the memory completely). I never want to see "plunder" used that way. The very thought of it is making me sort of dizzy.