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09 May 2005 @ 07:00 pm
Poll: When Good Isn't Good Enough  
This post is friends-locked, not to exclude anyone, but because I can see how it could bite me on the butt. Once bitten, twice shy, and that goes double if it's my buttocks that are in jeopardy. (Which isn't to say no one can bite me on the butt, because, you know, some people are welcome to, but...you know what? Let's not go there. There's knowledge man was not meant to know, and there's knowledge no reasonable person wants to know.) If all goes well, I'll unlock it in a few days, because I would really like to hear from everyone on this. (Note: now no longer friends-locked!)

Now, on to the pre-poll. (Please move in an orderly fashion. No flash cameras or video allowed. Not suitable for children under three.)

How do you recommend something that's flawed? My policy has always been that if I have to put in a caveat of any kind, I won't be recommending it. (There's a practical reason for this. Actually, two. First, if I start mentioning weaknesses and strengths, it's the first step on the slippery slope to balanced perspectives, and impartiality, and thought-provoking essays, and...look, I didn't start this LJ to reprise my college English classes. I live two blocks from a college. If I wanted to write papers, I could go do it for post-graduate credit; here, I want to be idiosyncratic and personal and wildly biased. Second reason - fandom is wonderful. But it's also a bit bitey, if you see what I mean. A lot of authors view their stories as babies (boy, did I learn that one the hard way, when I was young and relatively pure), and they respond instinctively and violently to any criticism, no matter how constructive or carefully-phrased or accurate or surrounded by truthfully positive remarks. I don't need more flames, thanks.)

The no-recommending-if-it's-got-a-flaw-worth-mentioning policy has worked for more than a year. But over that year, my list of stories that I consider unrecommendable but still want to keep and re-read has grown and grown. It contains two major categories of problem stories:
  • Older stories. These mostly come from older fandoms and they're written to outdated conventions. You know the kind I mean. Purple prose, and romance-novel language, and soul-searing kisses in the Rain of Nebulous Angst, and, look. I can handle all that stuff. In the presence of sufficient brilliance, I can even ignore it. But in the oldest fandoms, it was the default writing style; everything seems to have been written with Barbara Cartland firmly in mind. (Yes, there are exceptions. Many exceptions. I'm generalizing here, so stay with me.)

    There are other problems with the older stuff, too - for example, things that we now consider the worst kind of cliche (yes, there are good cliches; I love many of them), presented with painful sincerity. Yes, I know they weren't cliches then. It doesn't help as much as you'd hope. Or - no, never mind with the list-making, because this isn't a rant. Let me just say instead that fandom has changed a lot since Kirk and Spock were staring into each other's blazing eyes, hardly daring to hope that this one poignant gesture of agonizing, consuming, soul-burning passion could be forgiven, and I'm happy with most of those changes. But there are some good stories from those days. Some great ones, too.

  • Cracked diamonds. These are unrecommendable because of a serious problem. Many of them are are visibly, noticeably, and highly regrettably unbeta'd. Others have a fucked up plot, or tin-ear dialog, or a character doing an absolutely out-of-character thing, or a writing experiment that didn't quite work. The list goes on and on. And yet, some of these stories also have elements that are sheer genius. It's not surprising. After all, these are the authors who aren't afraid to try experiments, right? Some work. Some really don't. And sometimes the working and the non-working are in the same story, unfortunately.

    I recently read a story that had a scene that was perfect. That scene was - OK, I think I can give some specifics without revealing too much. It was a Smallville story, and it was the Clark-finally-tells-Lex scene. (Not about the gay gay love. Lex already knows about that, or he's not as smart as he thinks he is. About the Alien Among Us thing.) And it was the best I've ever seen it done, just amazing, so perfectly written and in character and right that I wanted to weep. And then I realized that the story could never be recommended unless a good beta got ahold of it and did some very thorough work, and then I really wanted to weep. I have a lot of these stories, especially in fandoms beginning with 'S' (And has anyone ever noticed just how many fandoms do begin with 'S'? If I was making a new TV show, I'd call it Staruniverse. Maybe Super Sexy Staruniverse.) - SG1, SGA, SV, SW, and The Sentinel, which might or might not be an S-fandom.
I want to recommend these stories. Badly, in certain cases. But I have no means to do so, because my own rules prohibit recommending any story if I need to add a warning. (I do occasionally warn. But only about potentially disturbing content, or very rarely about first-level beta stuff - lots of usage mistakes, basically. Not about more serious or pervasive problems.)

So. On to the poll.



Poll #490902 Recommending the Unrecommendable

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208(97.2%)

Do you understand my descriptions of the problem stories?

I totally get them both, and could think of ten examples off the top of my head.
162(77.5%)
I think I do. I'd like some examples, though.
36(17.2%)
I get 'older stories' but not 'cracked diamonds.'
2(1.0%)
I get 'cracked diamonds' but not 'older stories.'
6(2.9%)
I don't get either one. Are you speaking real English?
0(0.0%)
I do, but I don't understand why you don't like them. What is you problem?
2(1.0%)
I didn't bother reading the descriptions. I'm in this for the ticky-boxes!
1(0.5%)

What do you normally do about such stories?

I recommend them. No warnings. I'm not offering a warranty against any and all defects; it's just a LJ.
3(1.5%)
I recommend one or both kinds, but only with descriptive warnings.
50(24.5%)
I sometimes recommend them, sometimes don't. Depends. (And I'm explaining what it depends on in the comments.)
34(16.7%)
I mostly don't recommend them, but I might. (And I'm explaining why in the comments.)
14(6.9%)
I recommend them only privately, not in LJ. Just in chat or email or whatever.
42(20.6%)
I never, ever recommend them.
4(2.0%)
I have never recommended ANYTHING, flawed or not. (And I'm explaining why in the comments.)
17(8.3%)
Other. (And I'm explaining what in the comments.)
13(6.4%)

I would like to see you, TFV, handle these stories thusly:

Recommend 'em just like any other story. You aren't offering a warranty, either.
17(8.3%)
Recommend 'em, but warn me, please. I have highly developed reading sensibilities.
87(42.4%)
Recommend 'em, but differentiate - maybe don't put them in a Slashy Award type post. (And I'm offering a suggestion about how to do this in the comments.)
55(26.8%)
Don't recommend them at all. I come here for only the greatest in FF, not for recs of dubious reliability.
8(3.9%)
Other. (And I'm saying what in the comments.)
12(5.9%)

I enjoy the stories you recommend.

Pretty much all the time.
91(43.8%)
Most of the time.
81(38.9%)
Sometimes.
13(6.2%)
Almost never.
0(0.0%)
I don't even read them. I'm here for something else. (And I'm telling you what in the comments because I don't want you to die of curiosity.)
4(1.9%)
It's variable. (And I'm explaining that in the comments.)
15(7.2%)

As long as you're here, please give me some career advice.

Stay with the freelancing. You like it. And you need a flexible schedule because your father is so sick.
37(18.8%)
Try to get a real job doing one of the kinds of writing you freelance. (In comments, pick one: grants, reports, technical, other.)
5(2.5%)
Go to library school. You'd love it. You were born to librarianize up the stratosphere, baby.
22(11.2%)
Go to pharmacy school. You miss science a ton, and smut + drugs is a dream lifestyle, even if the drugs are legal and you won't be using them.
11(5.6%)
Screw the job stuff. Have a baby. You aren't getting any younger, you know, and you've always wanted kids. Maybe you won't screw them up beyond imagining.
3(1.5%)
Other. (Explained, of course, in the comments.)
11(5.6%)
Why are you even asking me? I'm only here for the smut.
51(25.9%)
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tried to eat the safe banana: Stylethefourthvine on May 10th, 2005 01:34 am (UTC)
First things first: where is the icon from? I have a Need to Know.

And now for the actual comment: thank you. Because I tend to forget that I started this to give me a place to play; I spend a lot more time than I should - which is not that much, but still - worrying about what people will think about what I write.

Actually, that's kind of amusing, given that a recs page is the most transparent kind of writing there is (besides certain kinds of marketing); you don't write recs so that people can read you, you write them so that people will click through and read someone else.

So I should not be writing this for other people to the exclusion of what I want to write. Thank you for reminding me of that.
cyanei on May 10th, 2005 02:00 am (UTC)
Er, you'll have to ask capedcrusader92, who made it, because I can't actually remember where it's from. / :?

And to sum up: Your sandbox, your rules. Yes? ( ; You're welcome.
teogli: Superbrainafearfulthing on June 24th, 2005 05:45 pm (UTC)
It's Tim, aka the Most Straight-Laced Robin Ever. In disguise, so he can be on television with all his non-paranoid teammates. Awww. I think they called him Mister Sarcastic, but he was mostly just silly. Young Justice # something, maybe midway though the run. Cutest baby heroes ever.
cyanei on June 24th, 2005 08:55 pm (UTC)
I think I must have had a different icon at the time I made that post, and now I can't remember which one it was.... Bler!

Because I know the story behind this one, and it was made by lyssiebaby, not capedcrusader92, so....
teogli: hee!afearfulthing on June 24th, 2005 05:58 pm (UTC)
Also, in answer to the actual post: Yours. Your opinion, your interests, your time and energy. Your sense of humor, which mainly makes people think 'Ha!' Plus want to read the story, to see if it's as interesting without whatever you were smoking.

I read stories that you recommend, even if I'm not going to agree with your assessment. Fandom is about triage - too many stories, so you try to mainly read the good ones. Your recs? Quite a step up from diving into FF.net. Thanks, by the way.