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05 September 2005 @ 01:35 am
Slashy Nominations 128: Small Fandoms Well Pursued  
I have a feeling I'm going to regret this. But, see, recently liviapenn reminded me that I have been remiss in my duties as a fan. Specifically, I have neglected my Fannish Heritage. (Capitals inserted to make the topic seem more important. Also, I figure this way I'm enhancing the chances that soon a course called that will be offered for credit at universities. Ideally, I'm thinking a history elective. Ooo, and there should definitely be extra credit for porn.)

I do not want to be a Fannish Heritage Neglector. There would likely be shame involved.

So if anyone feels like making me a sampler for any of the following fandoms, with a focus on slashy moments and other topics of fannish interest, well, you would be doing me (and Our Heritage!) a great service.
  • The Sentinel
  • Star Trek: the Original Series (But I've already seen The Trouble with Tribbles. Um. Almost half of it, anyway.)
  • Highlander (Ideally, with a focus on Methos, a character Best Beloved seems to find peculiarly appealing, although said appealingness took a slight hit tonight, when we found out his name is pronounced with a long E.)
You wouldn't have to send me all the episodes! Not even close. I'm just asking for, you know, a highlights reel. Like, if SGA appeared on that list, you'd only need to send me Sanctuary, The Defiant One, The Brotherhood, and Trinity, although of course if you felt like throwing in, for example, Rising or Underground or The Storm, that would be excellent, too. And if you wanted to explain why these were the critical episodes/scenes/vids/transcripts/insane theories posted on whatever fans used before they had the internet, well, I would love you forever and ever, and also, um. Be very grateful.

Sorry, haven't really got anything else to offer, unless you want a highlights reel for SGA, in which case I'd be happy to trade. (I doubt it, though. I think every fan in the universe has already been pimped into that fandom at least twice, and I suspect non-fans are starting to be sucked into the SGA Galactic Black Hole because of the sheer size of its Schwarzschild radius, and oh my god, now I have to write a story in which Rodney compliments John on the size of his Schwarzschild radius. It would make me giggle! And only me, probably, which is why I'm going to have to be the one to write it.) DVDs would be ideal, but we also have the technology to play VHS tapes, because we are very retro. Volunteers? Anyone? I stand ready to be educated.

And am I missing anything? If I know the canonical whys and wherefores of Kirk/Spock (is there canonical support for Kirk/Spock?), Jim/Blair, and Duncan/Methos, have I pretty much got my Fannish Heritage down? Will I be able to hold my head up if I am ever in a large gathering of fans? Will I be able to pass the undergraduate course? Keep in mind that I've already seen some of due South, SGA, SN, BtVS, and AtS. (And no one is allowed to make fun of me for being immensely proud of that. TV was an unknown country to me before fandom, people. I'm new there.)

And now that I've revealed my shameful lack of Fannish Heritage, let's move on to the service portion of this evening's programming, shall we? I'm requesting information on large fandoms, so it seems only right that I should be recommending from small ones.

Best FF That Shows Us That Travel Isn't Broadening and Love Has Nothing to Do with Never Saying You're Sorry. What Idiot Even Thought up That Whole Sorry Thing? That's the Wrongest Phrase Ever. Certain Dark Things, by jae_w. Bourne Identity, Jason Bourne/Marie Kreutz. (You should have seen at least the first movie to read this, and although I'm going to attempt to write the summary without spoiling the second, it's going to be tough.) Wow. I love this story. For me, the heart went out of the Bourne series (the movies, I mean; the books are a whole other deal) about fifteen minutes into the second movie, but it persists in stories like this one. This is just an astonishing look at the characters, at the way they lived between the first and the second movie, and the way they are. Neither of these people are perfect - um, and we're leaving out the whole assassin deal on Jason's charge sheet - and this shows that, and also shows why they belong together. Why they work together. This is basically a brilliant series of vignettes from Life on the Road with the Former Assassin and His Current Lover, and, frankly, I wish this had been the second movie. I would've loved it. The only thing I loved about the real second one was that I got popcorn. (The first one is fun, though. Things, you know, go boom, and also there is a pretty girl. I, uh, don't have high standards for movies; basically, if I'm sitting in a darkened theater, and I'm not crying at the end, and I didn't spend large periods of the movie reading in the hallway outside (Titanic, I am looking at you; I only sat through half of you, and my ass still hasn't recovered), I'm happy.) So. You know, just read this. It's amazing, and with an ending that just kills, and...did I already say wow?

Best FF That Perfectly Encapsulates the Outsider Perspective, Which Is Nice, Because It Means We Don't Have to Look at Flocked Velvet Elvis Paintings Anymore. Although I Suspect Some of Us Will Continue to Do So Anyway. Done, by elishavah. Boondock Saints, gen or I guess you could take it as Connor MacManus/Murphy MacManus*. But for me, this is gen; the incest won't be showing up until slightly later in this set. Yeah. (So, I bet you're really looking forward to the rest of this now, huh?) Here is another amazing character piece, and I love this because it shows what it must be like to be inside the head of a MacManus (ooo, that name) twin. Because, seriously? They speak their own language. (As well as, yes, eight others.) No, it's more than that; it's like they aren't even entirely separate entities, which is probably why they didn't ping me as slashy in the slightest when I saw the movie. (I know. I am branded with the Slasher's Shame: I saw the canon, and yet not the slash!) And I also love that this story fills in one of the many, um, plot lacunae (sounds much better than hole) in the movie, so perfectly it might as well have been in the movie. And, best of all, this has the kind of last line I dream about. sg_workshop was talking about opening lines this week, and although I never actually managed to post my comment (tragic browser crash; wit of the ages lost, except totally not), I had one, and it prominently featured my favorite opening line of all time: "It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen." (Which, in addition to its many other charms, is brilliantly poetic and nearly erotic when put through Lost in Translation.) But the thing is, compared to last lines, first lines are easy, which is why I am totally the slave of any piece of writing that closes brilliantly. And this story's last line - okay. You have to have seen the movie. But if you have, you read this, and it doesn't seem like much, and then...it echoes, is all I'm saying. Two minutes later (probably only thirty seconds for most people), it's just amazing. (Of course, two minutes after that, if you've been on LJ a while, you want to put it on a Boondock Saints icon. But it's best to focus on the first part of the reaction, I think.)

Best FF That Is Going to Make Me Happy Every Time I Mistype "Brian" As "Brain." For the Rest of My Life. Higher Education, by Resonant, resonant8. The Breakfast Club, John Bender/Brian Johnson, and, wow - that's a weird and probably unintended resonance in their names, isn't it? Didn't notice that until I typed them out. But all the more reason to slash these two, that's what I say. Although I don't think we need a reason beyond this story; this is the kind of FF that creates a fandom. Because, okay, my initial reaction to this concept was a hearty yawn. I did see this movie, yes, but I understood about .5% of it - all I really remember is that there were some desks. I mean, I had to dig up a plot summary to figure out who Brian and Bender were, even. So, obviously this didn't ping on my then-primitive (but now much enhanced and upgraded!) slash detector. I mean, it barely registered on my long-term memory. But I found myself actually remembering and understanding chunks of the movie as I read this story, and, even though Resonant never really describes either character, I started remembering what they looked like, how they moved, how they dressed. That's some impressive characterization, people. And the dynamic in this? Is just...perfect. I mean, absolutely, spot-on, dead-center...no. Here's the thing: the dynamic in this is the Platonic (only, you know, so not platonic, but work with me, here) ideal of a Resonant pairing. It's like she's been writing all this time because she was working up to these two. Now, I love and adore Res's work. And I rec it all the time. And I go into her stories with high expectations. And even so, I was stunned, because - well, look. Go read it, okay? You won't be sorry.

Best FF That Proves That I Am Dead to Shame. Also Possibly to Several of You, by the Time You've Finished Reading This Rec. Only Your Brother Knows the Places You've Been, by annakovsky. Super Mario Brothers, Mario/Luigi**. Yeah, um. You read that right. I figure anyone who didn't blink several times at the fandom and pairing has already read the story, and thus is no longer with us in this particular paragraph. But I'm hoping the rest of you stayed, even though it's kind of icky to imagine sex between little mustache-intensive animated guys who jump and, um, fight...turtles and hammers? I don't know. I never played the game; I was always more the Sonic the Hedgehog kind of girl. And, of course, there's the added ick of incest. Plus, because I really think this needs mentioning twice, animated video game characters, and I don't mean the weirdly androgynous RPG hotties, because those people are clearly begging to fuck in any number of positions - we're talking about, you know. Mario. And Luigi. Can I get a hearty ewwwww? Yeah. That was my reaction. Until I actually read this gorgeous little story, which is oddly sweet and plays on the Mario Brothers back story and is just stunningly good. Really. And maybe you're thinking: "Um. Yeah, still giving that one a miss, and happy to be doing so." But, well, look. I'm sitting here seriously considering using phrases like "wistfully beautiful" and "touching and gentle" to describe incest between mustache-wearing, turtle-jumping, pixilated plumbers. In other words, I'm voluntarily sacrificing what remains of my dignity, my reputation, and my belief in my own morals to try to get you to read this story. I can't think of a heartier, firmer recommendation than that.

Best FF That Shows Us That to Everything, There Is a Season, and a Fan Fiction for Every Sexual Act Under Heaven. Pushover, by Shalott, aka astolat. Mr. & Mrs. Smith, John Smith/Jane Smith. (And, yeah, you'll definitely need to have seen the movie to read this. But it is a marital, martial good time, so, you know, no hardship there.) I'm ending this set with - well, with more movie-based het. But there's a difference! Because this is het based on a movie that does not begin with B! And every other thing about this story is different, too, except that it is also very, very good. And, okay. I don't want to describe and discuss the sex act central to this story, because that pretty much is the story. But I will say that it has never appealed to me in the slightest particular. It doesn't even squick me. It just leaves me indifferent and sort of vaguely looking around for something else to do. Maybe a snack or a comic book or something. But this sex act is so in character for that charming couple next door, the Smiths, that I love it in this story. In fact, in a very real sense, this is the characters: their entire dynamic and the entire movie, summed up in less than 800 words, so apparently we didn't need all the bullets and mayhem after all. Just one, um, assistive device. Plus Shalott. But, hey, that's probably true of The Godfather and Casablanca and Dr. Strangelove, too, although we'd probably need a different device. At least, I hope to god we would, because if you put Ilsa and Rick in the places of Mr. and Mrs. Smith in this story, it suddenly becomes...surreal. To put it mildly. Oh my god, I'm sorry I ever even thought of it. Must go exorcise these images from my brain right now, or they will haunt me forever. Bye, y'all!


* Can someone more knowledgeable about Boondock Saints (I've seen the movie, but I don't remember this name appearing in the subtitles) confirm the spelling of the brothers' surname? This is how IMDb has it, but - these guys are Irish(-American). That's the whole point, that they're Irish. And yet this last name does not seem so Irish. So I'm confused, and I would welcome enlightenment.

** Do these guys even have last names? I honestly have no idea.
¿es eso un libro de besos?: technical difficultiesdarthfox on September 5th, 2005 01:38 am (UTC)
i wouldn't get too hung up on the spelling. Mc, Mac, tomato, tomahto, you know? i mean, ewan mcgregor is scottish, isn't he, and yet witness the lack of 'a'. just to take one example that leaps to mind.
tried to eat the safe banana: Writing - Pillow Bookthefourthvine on September 5th, 2005 03:02 am (UTC)
I just experienced a brief but excruciating moment in which my brain tried to combine Duncan Macleod, tomatoes, Conner and Murphy MacManus, Ewan McGregor, and your user name ("a list of things I don't normally lick in public") into one coherent entity. And then I got a fatal exception error. But I will tell you this about the conglomerate: it was juicy. And filled with Scots and Irishmen.

Um. Time for bed, I'm thinking. That comment made no sense at all.

But, yes, okay, I see your point with the McGregor. It's just - I have to look up his name every time I type it because my brain wants to make it MacGregor. (Overexposure to Peter Cottontail in my youth is probably the cause there, I'm thinking.) And now I've got the reverse problem with the Brothers [Disputed]Manus, damn them.

Perhaps I should just post a style sheet over my computer and do some extra pranayama tonight.

(Oh, and totally off-topic - do you know IPA? Or some local equivalent?)
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Daegaerdaegaer on September 5th, 2005 02:01 am (UTC)
I'd be more inclined to spell the name McManus, which is the normal Irish spelling. I haven't seen the film, though, so can't say how it's spelled there.
tried to eat the safe banana: Black gatethefourthvine on September 5th, 2005 03:06 am (UTC)
Things explode! Things are shot! Bad people are taken down with extreme prejudice and altarboy Latin! There is humor and plot holes and much action. And yet I'm strangely comfortable with it. I own it, even, and would gladly burn you a copy. Except I'm not sure it's your kind of movie, and also the Irish-American accents might make your brain explode. Still, let me know if you want one - we could solve this whole thing once and for all. By gum, unless I mean begorrah. Or hoots. Or, for all I know, barsteds. Damn. Where's a stereotypically, excessively ethnic exclamation when you need it?

(And thank you for the confirmation of the normal Irish spelling. These boys are...well, not normal by anyone's standards, but it's hard to picture them having an atypical spelling of their Irish last name.)
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cimness on September 5th, 2005 02:11 am (UTC)
well, star trek: tos is my one true fandom, and i have the dvd sets, but no way to rip dvds or anything, so i can't send you the episodes. however, i'm capping every episode as i get to it and making slashy moment recaps (although since the discovery of sga my watching has been on hiatus). the image links through 1x04 are currently broken, but there's still about half the first season's worth of recaplets and images, 16 posts' worth, under this tag here. (there's a lot of canonical support for k/s, yeah--mainly of the general buddy-show kind, but also of the flirting kind.)
laura: wwmsdjacquez on September 5th, 2005 04:41 am (UTC)
I mean, just for-example, there's the time in Shore Leave when Kirk has a cramp in his back and the pretty yeoman starts to rub it for him and he assumes that Spock is.

On the bridge.

And then the LOOK on his face when he realizes it's NOT Spock.

ah ha ha ha.
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siriaeve on September 5th, 2005 02:30 am (UTC)
McManus is the normal spelling here - it's normally 'Mac' for a Scottish surname, 'Mc' for an Irish surname. But it's definitely Irish; the surname of one of my near neighbours, actually.
tried to eat the safe banana: The world is my fandomthefourthvine on September 5th, 2005 01:28 pm (UTC)
That is a very pretty icon. For the record.

And thank you for the confirmation of the Irish-Scottish issue in that there name. I think part of my problem is that I want to spell it McManus. It just looks better that way.


*wonders why the screenwriters failed to consult her*
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Rochefort: Methosrochefort on September 5th, 2005 02:44 am (UTC)
we found out his name is pronounced with a long E

I read this as, 'his name is preceded by a long E'. Which then translated in my head to "EeeeeeeeeMethos!!" Which is a pretty understandable reaction.

(And yes, my brain obviously alters prepositions where it sees fit.)

This is a worthy venture. Hopefully it'll reward you with new enthusiasms.
tried to eat the safe banana: Blue girlthefourthvine on September 5th, 2005 02:57 am (UTC)

Which my brain instantly transformed into EmoMethos, or Emothos for short.

Which, I dunno. Is he emo? See, this is exactly why I need to embark on the Fannish Heritage Project! How can I not know if Methos is emo? Or woobie? He could be butch, for all I know!

*is ashamed*

liviapenn is clearly wise beyond her years. This Fannish Heritage thing is important. I see this now.
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tried to eat the safe banana: Robin in black and whitethefourthvine on September 5th, 2005 01:57 pm (UTC)
(Love your icon, by the by.)

Yay Savage Love! It has been way too long since I read that column, but love it. I even have the book. (And may I just say - if you don't have it, get it NOW NOW NOW. If for no other reason than this one particular letter and response that still makes me choke with laughter at inappropriate times, and which nearly killed me the first time I read it. I swear I didn't breathe in for about fifteen minutes, I was laughing so hard.)

And, yeah, the sex act is totally guessable. But I didn't want to come right out and say it, because - well, if there's a spoiler for that story, that would be it. Because, you know, that's the whole plot.

And now I'm going to have to go re-read it. I love that story. It's the whole movie! In five minutes! With added sex!
penknife: weird lovepenknife on September 5th, 2005 04:23 am (UTC)
If I know the canonical whys and wherefores of Kirk/Spock (is there canonical support for Kirk/Spock?)

Heh. There is plenty of canonical support for the fact that they love each other and would do absolutely anything for each other. The writers intend for this to be a love that is pure as the driven snow, but it's easy to take it otherwise. (So much so that Gene Roddenbery included a footnote in the novelization of the first movie saying "Kirk and Spock aren't lovers, really! See, Spock is using a Vulcan word in this scene to describe Kirk that can mean lover, but in this case it just means that they share a soul bond because they are like brothers, or something." Slash fandom being what it is, what K/S slashers took away from that was "ooh, shiny, now I know how to say 'soulmate' in Vulcan.")

Man, now I'm all nostalgic about K/S -- it was my very first slash fandom, back in the day.
Mistress Marilynmistressmarilyn on September 5th, 2005 01:30 pm (UTC)
Absolutely. That's why when I finally met Roddenberry, I had him sign my copy of that novel. And I loved that he at least acknowledged slash fandom without thumbing his nose at it.
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meelie: atlantis - all your basemeelie on September 5th, 2005 05:15 am (UTC)
From my dark and distant days of Nintendo addiction I recall that the last name of the Mario Bros. is, uh, Mario. Making them Mario Mario and Luigi Mario. But I could be wrong, it's been a very long time.
tried to eat the safe banana: Look awaythefourthvine on September 5th, 2005 02:09 pm (UTC)
*dies and is dead*

His name is MARIO MARIO?

Oh my god. Those were dark times for video games, weren't they? (Although, I'm sorry, is there anything slashier than Luigi using his brother's first name as his last? No, thank you, I thought not.)

But thank you. I totally can't stand to modify the entry - Mario Mario, OH MY GOD - but I'm very happy to know this. (I'm assuming there won't be any more stories in this fandom, so I won't have to face the question of what to do with my dread knowledge the next time I rec. Hmmm. Although, if there are, I'd probably put in Mario Mario/Luigi Mario. I have no shame.)

Mario Mario.

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Cesperanzacesperanza on September 5th, 2005 06:23 am (UTC)
And am I missing anything? If I know the canonical whys and wherefores of Kirk/Spock (is there canonical support for Kirk/Spock?), Jim/Blair, and Duncan/Methos, have I pretty much got my Fannish Heritage down?

*looks shocked!* Er, how long have you--uh? wow. Right. Okay. No, there's more--I mean, at a minimum, I think, you need SH and Pros, just in terms of a core curriculum, you understand. Then there are your major pairings, and your electives...
tried to eat the safe banana: Bookthefourthvine on September 5th, 2005 02:19 pm (UTC)
It is not my fault! I blame my parents, who totally failed in their obligation to make me watch television. I mean, they sent me off to college without any TV knowledge whatsoever. (And if you think that didn't lead to humiliation, you are so wrong. Let's talk about the time that my tablemates tried to explain "Hee Haw" to me, shall we? I thought they were making it up as a highly humorous joke - which I still maintain is the only reasonable reaction - and I went up to several entirely random strangers to ask if they'd ever heard of "Hee Haw." We will draw a veil over the reactions I got, okay?)

But! I insist on the right to claim Best Beloved's TV knowledge as my own, mostly because if I can't I will never catch up OMG. And BB has seen a lot of Starsky and Hutch. (And summarizes it thusly: "Hugging and crying. Oh, and they were cops." Sensitive types, I'm guessing.)

Neither of us has seen Pros, I'm sorry to report. But I'm kind of afraid of it. They look very grim in the vids, and one of them has terrifying hair.

Hmmm. Major pairings, you say? And electives? Tell me more! I'm taking notes. (Like, I just discovered ST:TOS has pairings besides Kirk/Spock. Oh, those whacky fangirls.)
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guede_mazaka on September 5th, 2005 06:31 am (UTC)
'Canonical' BDS spelling is MacManus, as enshrined by the script, the imdb.com listings and the credits on at least two of the four DVD versions. MacManus and McManus actually show up in both Scotland and Ireland--it's a matter of which one's more prevalent in a country. But most of us serious BDS people figure Troy Duffy (the director) was just being an idiot and never corrected it.

why, yes, i did do serious research on this topic. i even have a post. and i take this way too seriously:P
tried to eat the safe banana: Mapthefourthvine on September 5th, 2005 02:20 pm (UTC)
Yay! Can you link me to the post? (Can't believe I missed it. I've been worrying about that forever.)

*comes down firmly in the "Troy Duffy was being an idiot" camp*

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Punpun on September 5th, 2005 06:57 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that Mario's last name is Mario. Mario Mario and Luigi Mario. Sir Pun and I were just talking about this the other day, and now I'm sitting here cracking up so I have to explain to him that this topic has come up once again.

Of the Fannish Herritage, I think Starsky and Hutch is another one that all the true BOFQs know and love. Oh, and I have been pimped into Wiseguy which is so utterly fantasticly slashy that you really should see it for yourself.
tried to eat the safe banana: Fondue forks for everybodythefourthvine on September 5th, 2005 02:25 pm (UTC)
I don't know what BOFQ stands for, either, although I'm guessing the 'Q' means 'Queer.'

*is ashamed and willing to make amends*

I have to claim my Best Beloved's TV knowledge as my own, because I had a tragic childhood. (By which I mean that my parents failed in their duty to make me watch TV. I don't know what they were thinking; TV is way more important, culturally speaking, than breathing, even.) And Best Beloved has an obscure fondness for Wiseguy, actually, which is mysterious to me. (Those...eyebrows. And also, someone dies. This scares me.) Plus, see my comment to Ces, above, for BB's description of S&H, which I'm hoping covered the territory fairly completely.

I don't actually have to watch any S&H, do I?


*tentatively adds S&H to List of Fannish Heritage Requirements, as two people have now mentioned it*

*wonders if she knows anyone who has S&H on DVD*
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Iphiginia Saberhagen: Jim 'n' Blair belongfanofall on September 5th, 2005 09:05 am (UTC)
Do you have a DVD player? You do, right? Because the very kind and lovely and talented nestra sent me her ENTIRE RUN of Sentinel on video, and I have been DYING for a chance to try out my new VCR/DVD burner, and this seems like the perfect opportunity. I can burn them to DVD for you and send the DVDs to you and then you can watch The Sentinel and groan and write at its badness just like the rest of us, and marvel about how they are SO DOING IT just like the rest of us. Yes?
tried to eat the safe banana: Friendthefourthvine on September 5th, 2005 02:28 pm (UTC)

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Diana: Bibliophile -- Ewan (by cannons_fan)butterfly on September 5th, 2005 10:29 am (UTC)
Regarding last names -- Ireland and Scotland have quite a lot of bleed-through, really. I've got Irish for sure, but there's a very probable Scotland connection as well (both on my dad's side -- my mom is English with a hint of Welsh).

Seriously, it wouldn't be the most common spelling for Ireland, but it wouldn't be unheard of. Someone else brought up the case of Ewan McGregor (and I had a devil of a time trying to convince a friend of mine of the right way to say 'Ewan' -- eventually, I had to track down a clip of him saying his own name to prove that I was right), who is very much a Scot, indeed, despite the lack of a 'mac' in his name. Plus, the sheer variety of spellings available for any number of names is mindboggling at times.

Regarding Kirk/Spock, there are always these lines from the third movie:

Kirk: "But if there's even a chance that Spock has an eternal soul, then it's my responsibility."
Star Fleet Admiral: "Yours?"
Kirk: "As surely as if it were my very own."
tried to eat the safe banana: Hatthefourthvine on September 8th, 2005 03:52 am (UTC)
Plus, the sheer variety of spellings available for any number of names is mindboggling at times.

Yes. I'm sort of disappointed with my own ancestors, actually; they apparently lacked creativity. They could've at least tossed a Y into the family name or something, but no - they had to go with the traditional spelling, guaranteeing that no one would ever be able to find their descendants via Google.

and I had a devil of a time trying to convince a friend of mine of the right way to say 'Ewan' -- eventually, I had to track down a clip of him saying his own name to prove that I was right

Now I'm really, really afraid that I've been saying it wrong this whole time. How, um, does he say it?


Regarding Kirk/Spock, there are always these lines from the third movie

Oh my god the slashiness. I wrote that pairing off as all pointy ears and nonsense, but I see now that I was wrong to do so. So very wrong. But, hey, I'm repenting. (Now, actually, I'm sort of worried that if I ever do see the canon, it won't be as slashy as it seems in the transcripts and quotes and vids. Because part of me thinks that nothing could be as slashy as, for example, the massage scene.)
(no subject) - butterfly on September 10th, 2005 11:56 am (UTC) (Expand)
taverymate on September 5th, 2005 01:15 pm (UTC)
Borrowing computer access, so only a few links. The best sources you could ever want for canon support for Kirk/Spock can be found neatly wrapped up in Killa's superlative essay "Where No One Had Slashed Before" found at Ship Manifesto. It's also a sterling example of fannish love.

And once you succumb to the power of K/S, Killa also maintains a site containing some of the best recpages and linkpages around. Her primary rec focus is on ST-TOS and Highlander, but she also has a large section of other fandom recs. Killa has fantastic linkpages for ST-TOS, Highlander, Starsky & Hutch, and Jeremiah, and a misc fandom linkpage.
tried to eat the safe banana: I sleep with computers.thefourthvine on September 8th, 2005 03:47 am (UTC)
Yay! You're back! Sort of! I was about to email you, to make sure you had survived the computer disaster, but apparently you, um. Haven't quite recovered yet. So I will hold off on that for a bit. (New, improved email address: thefourthvine at gmail dot com. Old one still works, mostly, it's just that the server got so wonky that I decided the time had come for something slightly more reliable.) Is there anything a distant, well-meaning soul can do to help?

And thank you for the link; that ship manifesto is the best one I've ever read. I mean, seriously - I started it thinking, "Huh. Kirk/Spock. How very quaint and sweet." And I finished it with no coherent thought beyond "Kirk/Spock is LOVE EEEEEEE!" (Except for the tiny part of me that was deeply impressed: they had what was essentially sex pollen - okay, sex *virus*, but whatever - in the canon. And they got to it by episode seven. I mean, Star Trek was hardcore. They just took no prisoners at all, did they?)
(no subject) - taverymate on September 8th, 2005 11:50 pm (UTC) (Expand)
mesurexit on September 5th, 2005 03:27 pm (UTC)
Mac/Mc's not really a Scottish/Irish issue at all. Two very ingrained Tirisdeach (Tiree is the Hebridean island where I have a holiday cottage) surnames are McLeod and Mackinnon, and there's no doubt that those are the correct spellings. It's just... usage.

I mean, if we get down to it, the real issue about Irish Maccys or Mccys is that 'Mac' is Scottish Gaelic for 'son of', not Irish Gaelic. Irish Gaelic for 'son of' is that ubiquitous 'O''(Disclaimer: my information is from someone who has the Scottish Gaelic. Not the Irish Gaelic. So she may be mistaken, and Irish Gaelic may also use 'Mac'.) So it's interesting that 'Mac' surnames are not hugely outnumbered in Ireland by 'O'' surnames.

...I could go off on even more of a tangent, about the interesting fact that 'Nic' is the female version of 'Mac', but instead I shall just... stop. Um. Yeah.
indywind on September 6th, 2005 07:45 am (UTC)
Your friend is mistaken.
I have done a bit of historical onomastic (name origin) research, and spoken with folks who have doctoraates or equvalents in the subject.

both Irish and Scottish Gaelic use O', Mac, and Mc. The difference between Mac and Mc is only of usage--it arose before spellling was standardized, when names were writtend own phonetically by scribes who half the time did not even speak the language. The difference between O and Mac/Mc is of meaning. O'Dammit is a member of the family of Dammit, named after an illustrious ancestor named Dammit, who himself might have been Dammit O'Darn or Dammit McGosh, frex. McDammit (or Mac Dammit) is the son of Dammit himself--or a descendent of the son of Dammit, after the point at which surnames switched from being literal to inherited. Before around 1400, there were no female Mc Anythings; the equivalent for a woman was 'ingen', spelled variously, meaning "daughter of".

Clear as mud?

(no subject) - surexit on September 6th, 2005 08:25 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - surexit on September 6th, 2005 08:28 am (UTC) (Expand)