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20 August 2006 @ 10:35 pm
Poll: Vid Watching  
This is the counterpart to the poll I posted earlier. (It, uh, had to undergo some revisions after the results of that poll.) And this one is for anyone who has ever seen a vid.

Again, feel totally free to pimp. I'd love to get a range of responses on this one.

After this, there'll be a round of vid meta coming out, but then I swear we'll go back to fan fiction. I'm really starting to miss recommending the written word.

Poll #800594 For vid watchers.

Are you taking this poll?

I click, therefore I am.
460(100.0%)

Tell me what you've done. (With respect to vids. This is not Penthouse Letters, here.)

I've watched vid(s).
21(4.5%)
I've made vid(s).
0(0.0%)
I've downloaded vid(s).
4(0.9%)
I've attended a vid show at a con.
0(0.0%)
I've attended Vividcon.
0(0.0%)
I've never done any of these things with, to, for, or about vids. (In that case, um, you might want to bag the rest of the poll.)
1(0.2%)

What else have you done? (No one can see the answers but me, and I won't be telling anyone or yelling at anyone; if it's something you shouldn't have done, we'll assume you were young and naive.)

I've uploaded vids that aren't my own - to YSI, YouTube, wherever - for purposes of sharing them.
0(0.0%)
I've burned vids that weren't my own to disks for backup purposes.
34(7.3%)
I've burned vids not my own to disks to send to other fans.
3(0.6%)
I've burned vids not my own to disks for other reasons.
1(0.2%)
I've shown or distributed vids not my own to other fans. (Pimping, in other words.)
24(5.2%)
I've shown or distributed vids not my own outside of fannish circles.
5(1.1%)
I've provided direct download links to vids on someone else's server.
0(0.0%)
I've taken clips from someone else's vid to use in my own.
1(0.2%)
I've recommended without getting permission.
23(5.0%)
I've never done any of these things.
60(12.9%)

Recommending vids, in your LJ or website or wherever: have you, will you, won't you?

I've recommended vids from time to time.
162(35.1%)
I recommend vids pretty regularly.
7(1.5%)
I plan to recommend vids from time to time in the future.
29(6.3%)
I plan to recommend vids pretty regularly in the future.
0(0.0%)
I've never recommended vids.
98(21.2%)
I never plan to recommend vids.
11(2.4%)

How have you gotten your hot little hands (or, okay, eyes, but that sounds weird) on vids?

Off-clicked, saved-as from a link provided by the vidder.
24(5.1%)
Downloaded through a free file host, like YSI or Sendspace or whatever.
0(0.0%)
Watched on YouTube or other streaming service.
0(0.0%)
Downloaded from a vid hosting site, like Farscape Fantasy or AMV.org
1(0.2%)
By mail from the vidder (or a consortium thereof).
1(0.2%)
At cons.
0(0.0%)
From people other than the vidder. (Like, you watched it on a friend's laptop, or a friend uploaded it privately for you.)
2(0.4%)
I am too original to be encompassed by mere check boxes; only a text box can satisfy me.
0(0.0%)

So. How have you gotten your highly original hands, eyes, or other bodily parts on vids? (Keep it clean. If possible.)

Will anything totally keep you from getting or watching a vid?

I won't download vids only available through free file hosts
0(0.0%)
I won't download vids only available through a specific free file host. (Example: you'll download from YSI but not MegaUpload.)
1(0.2%)
I won't download vids that are on password-protected sites, even if the password is readily available.
0(0.0%)
I won't download vids that are on password-protected sites if I have to email the vidder to get the password.
5(1.1%)
I won't download vids that are over a certain file size.
4(0.9%)
I won't download vids that are under a certain file size.
1(0.2%)
I won't download vids that are in certain formats. (Examples: .wmv, .avi, .mpg)
2(0.5%)
I won't send away for vids by mail if they're only available on CD/DVD.
48(10.9%)
I won't download vids with grammar or spelling mistakes in the summary.
0(0.0%)
I won't download a vid if there's not enough information.
6(1.4%)
I won't download vids with crappy images/teaser picture.
3(0.7%)
I won't download vids that require too many clicks to get to. (From the announcement to the private LJ to the website to the vid page, for example.)
3(0.7%)
When it comes to answering this question, my needs can only be encompassed by a text box.
12(2.7%)

I'm here to meet your needs. What else will keep you from downloading a vid?

What's the largest vid you'll download? (This is normal-length vids only - no longer than ten minutes, say.)

Smaller than 5 MB.
2(0.4%)
5 MB
2(0.4%)
10 MB
0(0.0%)
15 MB
5(1.1%)
25 MB
11(2.4%)
35 MB
25(5.6%)
50 MB
58(12.9%)
75 MB
55(12.2%)
100 MB
49(10.9%)
150 MB
15(3.3%)
200 MB
7(1.6%)
There's no limit; I will download the largest size offered, no matter how big that is.
221(49.1%)

What's the smallest vid you'll download? (Normal length vid - say, no smaller than 2 minutes.)

There's no lower limit; I'll download the smallest size offered, no matter how small that is.
223(53.3%)
2 MB
38(9.1%)
5 MB
56(13.4%)
8 MB
43(10.3%)
12 MB
35(8.4%)
16 MB
5(1.2%)
20 MB
10(2.4%)
Larger than 20 MB.
8(1.9%)

If you feel like it, recommend a vid to me. (Please, please, please?)

Tags: [poll], vids
 
 
 
abbyleeabbylee on August 21st, 2006 05:35 am (UTC)
Like fics, there are certain things that will make me skip, such as a bad summary, but if it gets recommended enough, I may download anyway.

Especially since I don't really download vids that much anyway. I am horribly horribly picky and unreasonable, so they usually have to be heavily recommended.
Jeepsglitterdemon on August 21st, 2006 06:07 am (UTC)
See, bad summaries don't deter me with vids, even though they will turn me off of fic. I mean, if there is bad spelling or grammar or a less than intriguing writing style demonstrated in a story's summary, that's definitely an indicator of the level of writing ability in general. Whereas that's not necessarily true with vids, because somebody can be very technically proficient and artistic with that medium and still not be the best writer ever. It's similar to art in that I've come across some, just, abominable headers for art where the actual work is of extremely high quality. So I'm willing to overlook that when it comes to vids. :)
(no subject) - thefourthvine on August 21st, 2006 06:14 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - marycrawford on August 21st, 2006 11:48 am (UTC) (Expand)
lynnmonsterlynnmonster on August 21st, 2006 05:50 am (UTC)
The vid I recced to you is one of the ones that I have converted using 3GP Converter and uploaded to my iPod, so that I can have it with me wherever I may go!
tried to eat the safe banana: I sleep with computers.thefourthvine on August 21st, 2006 06:21 am (UTC)
I've already seen that vid (and, may I just say, OMG WOW), but you rec'd me the 3GP Converter, so you have totally fulfilled your recommending duties tonight. Thank you!

(Although, hey - do you know any way to get the later episodes of KKM in fansub? Because BB watched to the end of the ones available here, and then I looked it up and realized it would be eternity until we could buy the whole series, because there's, like, forty more episodes to go. We would still buy the DVDs as they became available, I swear - BB just doesn't want to wait to see the eps.)
(no subject) - lynnmonster on August 21st, 2006 07:07 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - lynnmonster on August 21st, 2006 07:49 am (UTC) (Expand)
(Anonymous) on August 21st, 2006 05:56 am (UTC)
Commenting anonymously, well, because.

I once burned some vids onto a CD and sent them to one overseas fannish friend who's on dial-up with limited access and had no real hope of ever seeing them otherwise. I knew I could trust her not to share them elsewhere and to keep what I'd done between the two of us. I didn't get permission from any of the vidders to do it. I don't feel like I did anything wrong... but obviously I still don't particularly want to get caught having done it.

I'd be interested to see what vidders have to say about this. How upset with me would you be if I'd done this with your vids?
tried to eat the safe banana: I sleep with computers.thefourthvine on August 21st, 2006 06:24 am (UTC)
I'm not a vidder, of course, but - I wouldn't be upset. I think the thing to avoid is distributing for profit (of course) or outside the fannish world or (oh my god please no no) to the copyright holders or associates thereof; as far as distribution goes, helping out a fellow fan with limited download access seems perfectly kosher to me.

But I am totally ready to stand corrected by actual vidders.
(no subject) - marycrawford on August 21st, 2006 09:00 am (UTC) (Expand)
Poll: Vid Watching - taverymate on August 22nd, 2006 03:07 am (UTC) (Expand)
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(no subject) - laurashapiro on August 21st, 2006 06:16 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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cranberryink: 0: calvin TVcranberryink on August 21st, 2006 05:58 am (UTC)
I almost never watch or download vids. I think I've seen all of 3 vids--two due South ("Zebra," natch, and the "Wonder of Birds" one, and one SGA one, set to Carbon Leaf's "Desparation Song" (which is very good, by the way, though I have no idea who did it or where it is).

The thing about vids that your poll doesn't address is that, while I've enjoyed the ones I've seen, I'm just really not that into the visual and audio experience that is a vid. I'm not much of a music person, for one, and I'm also not that captivated by the visual images they generally contain. My preference is for text, pretty much any time. So the roadblocks to acquiring and watching vids (passwords, locked communities, secret handshakes, downloading, etc.) are enough to keep me from doing something I'm only half interested in anyway. If they were easier to access, I might have seen a lot of them by this point and totally fallen in love with the medium, but as it stands, I have not.
tried to eat the safe banana: I sleep with computers.thefourthvine on August 21st, 2006 06:50 am (UTC)
See, I am totally not a visual person, and not an audio person, either; I will always prefer text, too. (By, you know, about the power of 10000.) But because vids are the easiest way for me to get TV shows (there's much more to key into, more to hang my cognition on (so to speak), in a vid than in a TV show), I worked really really hard to get them. And it was indeed work - I've got almost two thousand vids saved to my hard drives, and those are just the ones I thought were worth keeping. I watched a ton of vids. I paid close attention any time anyone wrote about vids. (And thus I can tell you: there is not enough vid meta in this world. Wah.) I took notes. I made BB watch vids with me so I would have someone to tell me what was going on.

And the thing is, I did learn how, more or less; I can't promise I get what I'm supposed to get from vids, or what everyone else gets, but I get a lot (and I'm still learning). I don't have it all figured out or anything, but I'm a lot better than I was, and it's no longer work - it's pure fun.

And I learned something important while I was doing all this: vids are a part of the great fannish conversation and - this is the neat part - they say things that fan fiction can't. (And vice versa, of course.) So I'm doubly glad I did all that work, because I didn't just get to learn about canons I couldn't really understand otherwise - I got this whole other thing I wouldn't have gotten otherwise, too.

Just - most people who are as non-visual as I am don't have the added motivation of not getting TV, so they have no reason to do all that work, and I know it. Otherwise, I'd totally write up a "How to Get Vids If You're Not the Kind of Person Who Gets Vids" post. (I think I could way reduce the number of vids a person would have to watch. Just - not to, like, four vids total, which is I think about how many I could persuade a non-visual person to try.)

But. That said, it's getting a lot easier to get to vids - most times, it's a matter of going to the vid announcement, off-clicking, and saving as. You really only have to go the secret handshake route for, like, .5% of vids these days, and mostly people who password protect their files are doing it because of robots or exposure to the outside world - not, you know, just to be difficult; I find that knowing that helps. (Like, recently someone's site got killed dead by a MetaFilter link. She's password protected right now; she can't afford for the whole world to download her vids.) I'm going to meta on this in a bit, but the prevailing attitude in the vid world seems to be changing, and part of that change is that vids are becoming easier to get. (Yay!)

Also. You must totally not miss Laura Shapiro and Pipsqueaky's "Goody Two Shoes." (The announcement is here, and, yes, you'll need to go to her site, but you should already have the password if you have Wonder of Birds - and if you don't, OMG, get the password, because it is so worth it. This vid is about FRASER and RAY(S), and, and, and - I have no words, but BB and I just about collapsed from pure joy while viewing it. Oh, and while you're at the site, get Laura and halcyon_shift's "I Put You There." It's not really a vid as we think of vids, and you and every other fangirl on earth can totally relate to it.)

(Oh, and by the way, the LotR Desperation Song vid is by wolfling. And it is just brilliant. IMO, of course.)
(no subject) - paceus on August 21st, 2006 11:19 am (UTC) (Expand)
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Jeeps: [spn] he's not heavy.glitterdemon on August 21st, 2006 05:58 am (UTC)
Because I ran out of space regarding reasons I won't download a vid: I also won't download from a free file host if it's too difficult. For example, with some of them I just can't even find a link, so I can't DL no matter how much I want to. I also tend to have a problem with MegaUpload, in that I have a fairly unstable connection and if a download poops out in the middle, it then blocks my IP from beginning another download. Very frustrating. But as long as a site lets me download, I don't care where it's hosted. Like, I don't have ethical qualms with any particular site. Also, regarding file size: I didn't pick anything for the smallest file size I'll download because I'm really just not that familiar with standard file sizes. I'll just pick whichever is the largest.
cupidsbowcupidsbow on August 21st, 2006 06:56 am (UTC)
Yeah, I have problems with finding links in amongst all the ads too. Unless it has a Super Amazing Rec, I tend to look for a moment, and if it's too hard, I go away again.
(no subject) - thefourthvine on August 21st, 2006 07:00 am (UTC) (Expand)
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tried to eat the safe banana: TFV bluethefourthvine on August 21st, 2006 07:04 am (UTC)
You're in luck - there are a lot of vids on YouTube these days, and some of them were even put there by the vidders themselves; you'll often see a streaming (read: YouTube) as well as a download link on vid announcements these days.

(I prefer not to watch on YT, myself, because of the lower quality, and I do rewatch vids constantly, so. But I can see why it'd be appealing if you never rewatched.)

I did not click this because I've never recced a vid, but if I did, I totally would not ask permission, because honestly, wtf? I'm of the opinion that if it's on the web, anyone can link it.

You'd basically be right about this, actually. (Meta/poll discussion is forthcoming on that topic.) Not everything mentioned in that question is something I consider "bad," or even something that is against fannish etiquette; it's just stuff people have, at one time or another, told me to avoid.
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Cristin Anneladysorka on August 21st, 2006 06:08 am (UTC)
I have uploaded vids to share, but I didn't click that box because I've never uploaded to share with more than one person.

I mean, when I say I've uploaded someone else's vids to share, it's "I've sent people vids over AIM" or "I've uploaded to YSI and only given one person the link". To me, that's like showing someone a vid I have on my laptop, only they're not here with me. Especially since when I'm doing it I'm generally talking to the person about the vid in question.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV brownthefourthvine on August 21st, 2006 07:09 am (UTC)
I've done that, too - uploaded vids to share with just one person, often to see if that person could figure out who made the vid. (Unattributed vids are the bane of every recommender's existence, I swear.) But I checked the box. I don't think it was a bad thing to do, either - only a few of the things on that list are unquestionably and always wrong or against fannish etiquette, and some of them are almost never wrong or against fannish etiquette.

To me, that's like showing someone a vid I have on my laptop, only they're not here with me. Especially since when I'm doing it I'm generally talking to the person about the vid in question.

Precisely. Although, in all honesty, a lot of times the conversation goes like this:
Me: So. Do you know who...?
Person: Um. No. It's pretty good, though. Oh, ah-ha-ha, look at Shep's FACE!
Me: *wistful* Yeah. *sighs*
Mistress of Insanityzeenell on August 21st, 2006 06:28 am (UTC)
Well, as to what else I've done with vids - I gave out a subdomain to someone who makes vids.

Now I have to explain ftp and all. *is bad at websites to begin with, so it's like the blind leading the blind*

On the other hand, I currently have 10GB of vids DL'ed. I have a variety of fandoms, from dragon ball z to gundam wing to yu-gi-oh. I have due south, sga, sg1, smallville, etc...

For some reason in the end is used a hell of a lot in AMV's.

And speaking of AMV's. If you can find it on the amv site, there was a vid there I dl'ed a really really long time ago. As in, at least 3 years ago with kazaalite. I know the file is up on amv - or was, a year ago.

Gundam Wing fandom, set to Invincibe by Pat Benatar. You can tell whomever made it worked hard to get it together. Hell, I still have the vid - it survived 5 different computers dieing on me.

As to songs, there are certain versions of songs I cannot stand. I forget what vid it was exactly, but it was set to She hates me - and I only really like the version of she fucking hates me by puddle of mudd. (I enjoyed that vid with no sound).

Also, I can't stand vids set to the music from the show being vidded. Er, more so in the anime fandoms. There really is no point in setting, say, white reflection (GW) to a GW vid... and using clips from when the song was played in the series. (The credits, i think?).

/ramble
tried to eat the safe banana: I sleep with computers.thefourthvine on August 21st, 2006 09:01 am (UTC)
Gundam Wing fandom, set to Invincibe by Pat Benatar.

*glooms*

The only Gundam-related AMV I could find set to Invincible was this one, but as it was posted two months ago (and it's Gundam Seed, not Gundam Wing), I don't think it's the same one. Darn.

For some reason in the end is used a hell of a lot in AMV's.

Oh my god it so totally is. I have this theory that there must be a law in anime fandom that somewhere in your first ten vids you have to make a Naruto or Evangelion vid and you have to make a vid set to something by Linkin Park. A lot of the more sensible AMV editors choose to make a Naruto (or Evangelion) vid set to Linkin Park just to get it all out of the way in one go, and I respect that, but I am so, so tired of characters who tried so hard, and got so far, and in the end, it doesn't really matter.

I mean, I get that it's good to cut to and full of emotion and it's easy to find scenes of people yelling/screaming/shouting/looking angry (especially in Naruto and Evangelion), but - there has to be another song that would work.

As to songs, there are certain versions of songs I cannot stand. I forget what vid it was exactly, but it was set to She hates me - and I only really like the version of she fucking hates me by puddle of mudd.

Was it sisabet's Moonlighting vid? Because if not, well, you might want to check it out, because it's set to Richard Cheese's version of She Hates Me, and so it's all lounge singer and piano, which is fabulous. And that tone and style works fantastically well with what I could tell of the fandom. (It's a show from the '70s. About two people. Who don't seem to get along that well. And according to Best Beloved, the guy was Bruce Willis back when he had hair, although I seriously have a hard time believing that.)

Also, I can't stand vids set to the music from the show being vidded.

Yeah. I tend to wonder what the point is there, too.

/ramble

Ramble is totally spoken here.
(no subject) - lydiabell on August 21st, 2006 07:24 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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cupidsbowcupidsbow on August 21st, 2006 06:52 am (UTC)
Every answer I've given should be put through a filter of, "If it's recced by someone I trust, I'll probably download it at some point, even if there's a pw, or it's huge." Maybe even if I have to mail off for a CD (once I have some spare cash).

I'm much, much, much less likely to just randomly click on a vid than I am on fic, because of the bandwidth issue.

This has been totally fascinating. I can't wait to read your meta.

tried to eat the safe banana: I sleep with computers.thefourthvine on August 21st, 2006 09:13 am (UTC)
Maybe even if I have to mail off for a CD (once I have some spare cash).

It's really worth trying that if you ever get the chance (I recommend Scooby Road as the vid to get on DVD, if she ever puts out another printing of it, because it's just right to watch that puppy like that, but there are other sets I've got that were well worth the extra effort and cost). For me, it's a very different experience, watching vids on CD/DVD and watching them downloaded on my computer. (I keep hoping someone else will post about this and prove I'm not the only one.)

Someday, I will find a way to get a copy of the Vividcon DVDs. And I will be a happy, happy vid-watcher, oh yes I will.

This has been totally fascinating. I can't wait to read your meta.

I'm glad you're finding it interesting; I am, too (obviously), but I have a sort of feeling that 98% of the people who read this LJ are rolling their eyes all, "Oh my GOD shut UP about VIDS already." But they are doomed to disappointment in the short run, because the vid meta is now in two pieces and developing tentacles. It's Mommy's Mutant Meta and it's growing rapidly.

*considers finding a better metaphor*

*decides just to pretend that was a good metaphor and hopes you will do likewise*
(no subject) - dzurlady on August 21st, 2006 12:19 pm (UTC) (Expand)
the girl with her many obsessions: talented at being weirdwistfuljane on August 21st, 2006 07:25 am (UTC)
Combining your last post's topic with this one:

I preferred when linking & bookmarking (to del.icio.us) vids to link to the vid announcement post rather than the actually vids website. I find that 1) it easier and faster to find the vid you're linking to (the vid is directly stated and linked in the post so you wouldn't have scroll through a vids collection to find it) and 2) usually, more info about the vid & the vidder is offered and publicly available on the vid announcement than on the website, especially the password-protected website. So I love it when vidders make and organize vid announcement posts in their memories and/or tags index and I especially love it if they also link to those posts on their websites.

The other topic is password-protected vids website. I'm more hesitant to download a vid if I have to e-mail the vidder and request the log-in info. It depends on how much I want to see the vid right then. I might put it off for later, I might not even want to request the info, and I might request in right then. It depends on my mood, I guess.

I think I would be less hesitant if vidders did a comments request like I seen some media communities do. Like requiring people to comment with a statement of the vidder's choosing and they reply back with a screen comment of the log-in info. The vidder could screen all comments by default if they want to do a sticky post instead.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV glowythefourthvine on August 21st, 2006 09:26 am (UTC)
I preferred when linking & bookmarking (to del.icio.us) vids to link to the vid announcement post rather than the actually vids website.

This is definitely my preference, both as a link/tag/bookmark maker and a link/etc. user, and luckily it seems to be what vidders prefer, too.

And, hey - does this mean you have a del.icio.us account for vid bookmarks? And if so, would you be willing to share?

So I love it when vidders make and organize vid announcement posts in their memories and/or tags index and I especially love it if they also link to those posts on their websites.

I don't know if I've ever noticed a vidder doing that, linking to memories/tags from the website, but I would love it if vidders did, because - yeah. I prefer using memories and tags for all the reasons you mention and more.

The other topic is password-protected vids website. I'm more hesitant to download a vid if I have to e-mail the vidder and request the log-in info.

I definitely felt that way in the beginning of my vid odyssey. I don't feel that way any more; I still prefer non-protected sites, just because - hey, easier! Faster. (Plus, for various complicated reasons, I don't let myself access my fannish email on the computer where I do most of my work - too distracting. But that is where I download all the vids, so there's this weird shuffle I have to do.) But I'm not hesitant to email vidders for passwords anymore. (I just feel a little sad, because I know that I have almost no chance of successfully recommending a vid to people if they have to email for a password first.)

I think I would be less hesitant if vidders did a comments request like I seen some media communities do. Like requiring people to comment with a statement of the vidder's choosing and they reply back with a screen comment of the log-in info. The vidder could screen all comments by default if they want to do a sticky post instead.

That is a really interesting idea, and not one I'd thought to apply to vidders. Do you mind if I mention it in the Mutant Vid Meta(s) I am currently working on?
(no subject) - wistfuljane on August 21st, 2006 10:44 am (UTC) (Expand)
cold_poet on August 21st, 2006 07:46 am (UTC)
Addendum to my vid rec:

Fullscreen it, turn down the lights, turn UP the volume and move to the edge of your seat because that is where you're going to wind up anyway.

After OMG who-knows-how-many viewings I still gasp and flail at the end unable to even squee for the emotion and JOY my heart feels at this vid.

Best vid EVER (Maybe tied with Happy Ending. ;)
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV menorahthefourthvine on August 21st, 2006 09:34 am (UTC)
Yay! I haven't already seen your vid rec. (I'm kind of alarmed by how many I have seen. My vid habit is obviously much closer to an addiction than I thought. But I refuse to seek help, damn it.)

*departs to download*

(Maybe tied with Happy Ending. ;)

God, I love that one. All I have to do is see him fall, even without the song, and I grin.

*loves*
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torn between not okay and maybe kind of cute: dief wars bitcheskalpurna on August 21st, 2006 08:04 am (UTC)
I'm not sure I totally understand what the HUGE DEAL OMG is with showing a vid to someone outside fannish circles. I mean, obviously not to someone important, like a producer or actor, but... to your dad? To your best friend? I don't know. People use clips of shows for non-profity things all the time, on youtube and stuff, such as trailer parodies, and they get linked everywhere and no one seems to think it's a big deal. And vids are cool! And shiny! What's so wrong about saying, hey, look at this, guys?

Maybe I'm just prejudiced because my first experience with any, ANY kind of fannish behavior on the internet was a friend showing me a Buffy vid on her home computer. But I don't quite get why everyone is so sure that talking about Fight Club will bring down the feds on us. And you know, maybe part of this is that I'm young, and relatively new to fandom? But I'm not even sure I get the fannish taboo against mentioning slash to its source. Fandom is cool, yo, and I'm proud of it and I love it and I honestly, honestly don't think there's ever likely to be a legal threat to it, as long as things stay the way they are re: profit. It's interesting and fun and creative, and I think people should be PROUD of inspiring such awesomeness, not contemptuous. And you know what? From what I've seen, more and more people are, as time goes on. The mainstream is becoming more accepting of derivative work, not less.

And I hate closets.

Uhm, wow, sorry to rant all over your comments! I seriously, seriously don't mean to be wanky here or anything, but I truly don't get this, and your poll just reminded me of it. Sorry! Don't mind me! *hides*
torn between not okay and maybe kind of cute: best hair everkalpurna on August 21st, 2006 08:08 am (UTC)
also, do you think I could have used any more italics? *shame*
(no subject) - thefourthvine on August 21st, 2006 10:42 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - kalpurna on August 21st, 2006 11:12 am (UTC) (Expand)
Split comment for sheer wordiness. Sorry! - thefourthvine on August 21st, 2006 10:31 am (UTC) (Expand)
Part Two of the insane wordiness - thefourthvine on August 21st, 2006 10:39 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Part Two of the insane wordiness - kalpurna on August 21st, 2006 11:11 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Part Two of the insane wordiness - eveningblue on August 21st, 2006 05:07 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Part Two of the insane wordiness - kalpurna on August 21st, 2006 05:48 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Part Two of the insane wordiness - brown_betty on August 22nd, 2006 06:01 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Part Two of the insane wordiness - kalpurna on August 22nd, 2006 07:07 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Part Two of the insane wordiness - brown_betty on August 22nd, 2006 07:17 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Part Two of the insane wordiness - kalpurna on August 22nd, 2006 07:41 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Raven: Atlantisraveninthewind on August 21st, 2006 08:25 am (UTC)
The nonfannish people to whom I've shown vids were family members or friends who haad an interest in particular source material--the song or the show.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV bluethefourthvine on August 21st, 2006 10:47 am (UTC)
As I said to kalpurna, I worded that question badly. (I also left out "I won't watch streaming vids" from another question - not my best poll ever, I don't think.)

When I said "nonfan," I meant, "person or group of people who might not get it and whose behavior you cannot vouch for." Basically, I'm talking about people who might, out of enthusiasm or innocence or whatever, do something seriously stupid that would get the vid into the hands of the Empire. (RIAA, MPAA, copyright holders, Darth Vader, etc.) Or people you don't know well enough to be sure that they wouldn't.

Showing a friend a vid is, I think, not quite the same - it's more like showing it to a fan. Particularly if the person loves the source already.
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taverymate on August 21st, 2006 08:28 am (UTC)
Poll: Vid Watching
I recommend and push vids a lot and I doubt that will ever change, but I do so through email, on mailing lists, in comments on other people's LJs, and in person. Don't rec through my own LJ, because, well, I don't post in my own LJ period.

Re watching vids, I didn't check streaming vids because streaming video feed just doesn't work for dial-up, and I don't count the very few times I've done so using someone else's computer and broadband connection. And I didn't add this option via text box, but you don't list getting vids via a trade or loan with other fen, something that was very common with tapes and even as vids moved to DVD distribution, though perhaps less so now as more vids come online.

There really is nothing that will keep me from trying to get a copy of a vid once I've decided that I want it. If it is a totally unknown vid from an unknown-to-me vidder, in a fandom that I've never heard of or actively dislike, then yes, eventually you could come up with some combination of roadblocks that would stop me - but as that vid is probably already at the bottom of an incredibly long Want Vid list, it's really a moot point. But if I want a vid, well, the lengths to which I've gone over the years are proof positive that fandom is, indeed, an obsession. *g* There are vids that I've spent literally years trying to obtain - and some that I'me still actively pursuing two decades after first seeing or hearing about them.

I chose 50mm as the largest vid I'll download, but that's a bit misleading. 50mb is about the limit that I will typically stretch to download on dial-up, as that can take nearly 3 hours where I can't use the computer for anything else and the site needs to support transfer resumption and allow a download manager since the connection is often dodgy. But I've been know to download larger vids with proper incentive - even on dial-up. There was a due South vid that was over 100mb and wasn't that a fun experience, but hey, it was due South. The largest vid file was likely Lum's Scooby Road at 250mb, but that's a song cycle rather than a single vid. Wait, Charmax's gorgeous Xena vid, Boom Boom Ba, in a super-high quality version topped out over 200mb.
tried to eat the safe banana: Sea vinesthefourthvine on August 21st, 2006 09:30 pm (UTC)
Re: Poll: Vid Watching
I recommend and push vids a lot and I doubt that will ever change, but I do so through email, on mailing lists, in comments on other people's LJs, and in person. Don't rec through my own LJ, because, well, I don't post in my own LJ period.

Do you have a specific mailing list on which you push vids? Because I've been the beneficiary of your (incredibly cool) vid resources (in dS and Pros, plus you were the person who convinced me that it was worth sending off for DVD sets), and I'd love to hear about your favorite vids.

And I didn't add this option via text box, but you don't list getting vids via a trade or loan with other fen, something that was very common with tapes and even as vids moved to DVD distribution, though perhaps less so now as more vids come online.

Well, it was totally an accident that I left "won't watch the vid if it's only available on YouTube," but it wasn't an accident that I left off DVD/videotape trade; I didn't know that happened enough to be considered a means of exchange.

And now I do. Um - next vid poll, I guess.

I chose 50mm as the largest vid I'll download, but that's a bit misleading.

I was curious to see what you'd pick, since you're one of the few vid enthusiasts I know who is on dialup. And I totally did not expect it to be as big as 50MB - the smaller numbers were put up there with you and your fellow dialuppers in mind, actually. Three hours of downloading time is quite some dedication. Wow. That's made me swear that I will no longer whine when my download speed drops below 100KB/second.

The largest vid file was likely Lum's Scooby Road at 250mb, but that's a song cycle rather than a single vid.

You don't do AMVs at all, I'm assuming, but if you did - there are a lot of multi-editor projects over there, and many of them are, like, an hour long. Which means they clock in at around ~700 MB, usually. I mean, they are totally worth downloading - it's an amazing experience to see so many vidders working with a similar theme or music or whatever the unifying element of the multi-editor project is, and an hour of solid vids is very different than four minutes of vid - but 700 MB would take you two days to download. (And you can't even use your connection while the download is going.) Yikes.

Wait, Charmax's gorgeous Xena vid, Boom Boom Ba, in a super-high quality version topped out over 200mb.

*envies*

I'm an idiot and didn't notice that she'd posted the super high quality link until it was gone. But that vid is so fucking gorgeous at any size, and I'm thrilled to have the DivX remaster, even if it is only about 50 MB.
Re: Poll: Vid Watching - taverymate on August 22nd, 2006 05:28 am (UTC) (Expand)
Re: Poll: Vid Watching - thefourthvine on August 23rd, 2006 04:02 am (UTC) (Expand)
melpemone: DS: Benton/RayK - Rubber Ducksmelpemone on August 21st, 2006 09:44 am (UTC)
Until very recently (like, last Saturday), the only way I saw vids was through other people, because I was on dial-up and it was pure torture downloading anything above 15mb (yes, I have spent my first weekend with DSL downloading vids like a maniac, why do you ask?). So to everyone who's shared a vid with a less fortunate fan, my thanks to you, and I have every intention of returning the favour. :-)

I did want to mention, though, that passworded vids are less likely to be grabbed by me, at least right now. I always feel awkward emailing a stranger, and my urge to see a particular vid (especially if it's not in my fandom, or recced because of especially nifty editing, or something) tends to pass pretty quickly anyway - if I can't get at it right away, I'm not likely to get it at all. I'm probably missing out on some brilliant stuff. :-(
Vanilla  ... Spiked with Slivovitz: Two Cents by makesmewannadiejenna_thorn on August 21st, 2006 02:16 pm (UTC)
Add me to this group.

I can only download vids when at the coffeshop or otherwise using someone else's wifi, so I pretty much depend on vid recs from people whose fic recs I've grown to trust.

Because I don't have constant access to internet speeds suitable for downloading, emailing someone for a password isn't really an option. By the time she gets back to me a week later or even an day later, it'll be another four weeks before I can make an attempt. Add to that my own timidity about initiating contact and, nope. I know that I'm cheating myself out of lovely stuff, but it's a one two punch, and I'm not invested heavily enough in watching vids to overcome it.
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