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29 November 2006 @ 11:57 am
Poll: Ride the Recommendations  
isiscolo has an interesting post about the effect recommendations have on readership. (This is as judged by website statistics - part of her ongoing series on readership, feedback, and website stats, which I secretly suspect is a plot to make us all want websites. Or, for those of us who have websites, to make us want to put some actual content on them.)

This has been something of a theme with me recently. See, I do this whole recommendations thing so strangely that it is a constant delight to me that anyone reads or uses my LJ. So it never occurred to me that my recommendations might have effects on, say, readership or feedback. But first I had a vidder telling me my rec of her vid had a noticeable effect on downloading, and I swooned from joy. And then fairestcat and isiscolo pointed out to me that sometimes you can see actual feedback on stories that probably is the result of your rec! (Like, sometimes people say, "Here from thefourthvine," which is just the coolest thing ever OMG.) More joyous swooning followed. (If this keeps up, I'll need a fainting couch, and doesn't everyone want a good reason to buy a fainting couch?) And now isiscolo is saying - well, basically, that LJ recs have an effect, but only current recs; back recs on LJ aren't used as much. (Note: I am excessively over-simplifying her post. Please read it and ignore my summary.)

Me being me, my basic reaction to this was, yes, joyful swooning, and much burbling along the lines of: YAY! People sometimes read the things I recommend, and how neat is that? (Way neat, if you were wondering. Way, way neat.) But my secondary reaction to her conclusions was: hmmm. Perhaps I should update my memories or stop using tags or in some way make my LJ more, you know, useful to people.

And you are the people I want it to be useful to. Plus, I have a sick spouse at home and a bunch of work to do. You know what this means: it's time for yet another poll! (You can totally put "post fewer polls" in question five, by the way.)

Please check this so I can get an accurate headcount. I don't want to leave any of you behind when we're done with the poll.

I will fasten my seatbelt and keep my arms and legs inside the vehicle as I tour the poll.
528(99.8%)

Do you read my recommendations? I mean, not the stories - the recs posts themselves.

I read the intro and all the story summaries.
237(43.8%)
I read parts of the posts. (Feel free to say which parts in the comments.)
92(17.0%)
I skim, looking for links or fandoms that interest me or weasels or whatever.
210(38.8%)
I just click the links. Text is so yesterday!
1(0.2%)
I don't read the recs posts at all.
1(0.2%)

Do you ever look through my back catalog of recommendations?

Yup, using the tags listed in your sidebar.
224(41.4%)
Yup, using the memories section, WHICH YOU SHOULD UPDATE RIGHT NOW.
12(2.2%)
Yup, by paging back through your earlier entries. It's not like there's a whole lot of stuff in your LJ besides recs.
25(4.6%)
No. I read your recommendations strictly through my friends list; if I miss it there, it's gone for good.
53(9.8%)
No. I read your recs via visits to your LJ. If it's off your current entries (front page), it's good for good.
5(0.9%)
No. I've been reading this LJ since you started it, so I've already read all your back catalog of recommendations.
7(1.3%)
...You have a back catalog of recommendations?
19(3.5%)
I am unique! I am different! I am off to write a comment!
1(0.2%)

Do you read the stories or watch the vids I recommend?

Yes, if they're in my fandom.
73(13.5%)
Yes, if you make them sound particularly appealing.
32(5.9%)
Yes, if I'm in the mood.
20(3.7%)
It depends, and I'm going to explain that in the comments.
5(0.9%)
No. I'm here for the spectacle.
1(0.2%)
No. I'm here for the first time.
0(0.0%)
I am bound by no mere ticky box. Only a comment can encompass the whole of my answer to this question.
4(0.7%)

What could make this LJ more useful or interesting to you?

Thank you for visiting the poll! As you exit, please make sure you have all your belongings, and select your choice of the following mutant chunks of text suggested by LJ.

Hercules
19(3.6%)
It Might as Well Be Spring
25(4.7%)
It comes with an expiration date!
39(7.4%)
the best non-fiction i haven't read yet
57(10.8%)
I know very little about Finland.
191(36.2%)
http://giddygeek.livejournal.com/95805.html
41(7.8%)
Today is Wednesday, and I am wearing Thursday socks.
156(29.5%)
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tried to eat the safe banana: TFV bluethefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 09:10 pm (UTC)
*beams*

Thank you! (And especially thank you for leaving feedback for writers and telling them how you got there. I'm sure the authors appreciate it, but I'm thanking you on my own behalf. Because, see, I have this brand-new hobby of clicking through my own recommendations links and checking out the story feedback, and every time I see that someone read the story because of MEEEEEEEEEEE, I do a chair dance of joy.)
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tried to eat the safe banana: TFV brownthefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 09:18 pm (UTC)
How much of your recs posts I read depends on how much time I have and what mood I'm in and what the theme of the recs post is

This makes sense. *nods*

like, if it's an author I've never heard of, especially if I'm busy, I'll skip right by an announcement on sga_noticeboard unless someone I know has recced the story

I'm often guilty of that these days. I mean, I love that the fandom is so prolific, but there are only certain days when I am willing to risk finding a story starring "Jon" and "Rodeny," you know?

Probably the biggest example of that is yuletide, where there are just so many stories that it's hard to figure out what to read without recs, even in fandoms you're somewhat familiar with, because there are just so many stories.

Oh my god yes. I love Yuletide, but every year on Christmas day my brain shorts out - I don't know where to click first, and it becomes this fan fiction binge. And then I look up and it's six hours later and I have nothing excecpt this vague memory of Maverick having sex with a Gummi Bear.

I mean, I still have 2005 stories on my To Read list, and - well, it doesn't look like I'll get them read before 2006 blows in. I salute elynross, who I think reads almost every story there is between Christmas and New Year's. I submit this as definitive proof that she has superpowers, actually.
(no subject) - flambeau on November 29th, 2006 09:34 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - thefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 09:44 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - flambeau on November 29th, 2006 10:18 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - thefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 10:30 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Devil Doll: puddlejumperdevildoll on November 29th, 2006 08:00 pm (UTC)
Do you read the stories or watch the vids I recommend?

It seems like I've usually already read most of the SGA recs by the time they show up here, but I do enjoy reading your thoughts on them. So I guess I'm not really here to read the stories you rec so much as the recs themselves, if that makes sense.

I don't watch a lot of vids (not for lack of desire, just from lack of a way to watch most formats), so I normally skip those posts.
tried to eat the safe banana: SGA smart/prettythefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 09:21 pm (UTC)
So I guess I'm not really here to read the stories you rec so much as the recs themselves, if that makes sense.

It does, and it is insanely flattering. I often wonder why single (or mostly single) fandom people are here, because I know they'll have read it all before.

not for lack of desire, just from lack of a way to watch most formats

It might be possible to solve this problem, if you're interested and want to go into more detail about it. If it's just a question of playing formats, I can recommend two free players that work with virtually any format. (Of course, if you can't download programs for whatever reason, that would kind of kill that.)
(no subject) - devildoll on December 6th, 2006 07:19 pm (UTC) (Expand)
drlense on November 29th, 2006 08:04 pm (UTC)
I usually skim through your posts on my f-list until I see that you've recced a story in a fandom that I follow- then I read through your description and click from there. Usually I click- unless I've read the story already or if there's something in there that squicks- (incest, for example).

I appreciate your nice layouts and the way everything is always labeled the same, with the info I need easy to see.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV Katamari Damacythefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 09:26 pm (UTC)
incest, for example

We share that squick; I've recommended it once, because cesperanza is EVIL (and also because it was the least incesty incest in all of recorded history), and I don't expect to do it much more often. Unless I can finally beat back the squick enough to read SPN, which I really really want to do. *shakes fist at squick*

I appreciate your nice layouts and the way everything is always labeled the same, with the info I need easy to see.

Wow. Cool. Thank you. I would totally have given myself a low score on skimability/readability, so that is very good to hear.
(no subject) - drlense on November 29th, 2006 10:27 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Lithyhalcyon_shift on November 29th, 2006 08:08 pm (UTC)
I read more for what you write about the recs than the recs themselves, but if I'm on one of my periodic binge readings I look through all the ones you've done in any fandom I'm liking that particular second - age irregardless.

Also, this is just plan stalkerlicious now but - I'm a teensy bit concerned my emails to you may have been going astray, can you let me know if you've gotten them? You don't have to do anything crazy like answer or anything, a yes/no in here is peachy keen. *g*
tried to eat the safe banana: Daisythefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 09:37 pm (UTC)
Eeep. I'm sorry I've been, you know, silent and rubbery and dead-seeming. I got your emails! I am just totally hampered in my ability to respond to them because, well, I am trying to say INTELLIGENT things, and that is HARD. I have this looooong, very unfinished, completely incoherent email to you in my drafts folder. It has more exclamation points than I typically use in a whole week.

Possibly I should just go back to short and incoherent and finished sometime this century, hmmm?

Yes. Probably that is what I should do. Maybe I can't make sense, but I can still be succinctly nonsensical.

*makes note*

(P.S. The short version of the email: eeeeeee yay! Actually, maybe now I don't even need to send you the email. Although it has timestamps and things, and could be good for a laugh.)

(P.P.S. You don't qualify as remotely stalkerish or even inappropriate unless you are coming by my house without calling first. That, I totally bar. (Unlikely to be a problem with you, I realize, but I think it's important to lay down boundaries, and my rule is: before you get on that transatlantic flight to visit, CALL ME.) But emails, IMs, random comments - these things are always welcome and not at all stalkery, especially if I'm being flaky or dilatory about email (which is, sadly, all too likely - I don't like to send an email until it's PERFECT, and the thing is, it's very hard to attain email perfection - it's like attaining Nirvana, only in ASCII).)
(no subject) - halcyon_shift on November 29th, 2006 09:57 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - thefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 10:08 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - halcyon_shift on November 29th, 2006 10:48 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Paceuspaceus on November 29th, 2006 08:10 pm (UTC)
I read your recs if I know anything of the fandom, and the stories if I know and am interested in the fandom (usually SGA -- those I read every time -- but I also remember reading Discworld and SG-1). I find tags very useful so please don't take the tags away!

(Oh, and I found your LJ via cupidsbow's Primer for Reading SGA Fanfic. Which I found via friendsfriends. Now it feels weird that I haven't always read your posts.)
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV menorahthefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 09:52 pm (UTC)
Thank you!

I find tags very useful so please don't take the tags away!

Well, actually, I use my tags all the time - it's very helpful for settling the "didn't I already recommend this?" issue. So they will be staying, and would be even if I was the only one using them. (Before tags, I had a whole category of stories that I was sure I'd already recommended. But hadn't. It was a sad, sad time.)

Oh, and I found your LJ via cupidsbow's Primer for Reading SGA Fanfic.

Yay! I always wonder how people find my LJ, so that is good to know. (And I'd somehow missed that post of cupidsbow's, so double yay for linking me to it. And those are some excellent starter stories.)
Doctor Science: downloading pornmecurtin on November 29th, 2006 08:10 pm (UTC)
When I was first getting into SGA I read through all your back SGA recs. Now I just read 'em as they come down Teh Tubes.
tried to eat the safe banana: SGA Ronon smilethefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 09:56 pm (UTC)
Now I just read 'em as they come down Teh Tubes.

...Something is very, very wrong with me. Because when I read this, my brain presented me with the image of fallopian tubes, being traversed by my ovoid recs. That is just not right. Plus, now I'm wondering what happens if one of my recs gets fertilized.

*shudders*

My brain obviously needs - I don't know. A tune-up or something.
(no subject) - vito_excalibur on November 29th, 2006 10:28 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Wyoming Knott: janeanewyomingnot on November 29th, 2006 08:11 pm (UTC)
I am very much entertained by your posts, whatever flavor they may be. Sometimes I'll read everything in a rec post, sometimes not. I always read the stuff before the recs, then skim the fandoms (always reading the 'award type', regardless of fandom). I'll always read the recs for my fandoms, and, depending on my mood, sometimes I'll read the other recs.

I do read your old recs. When I stumbled into SG-1 a couple months ago, the first thing I did was hit your sg1 tag. :) (more sg-1 recs! um, please?)

And dernit, I picked the 'socks' option on the last question, but it occurs to me now that I'm not wearing any socks! (freezing rain outside. i'm wearing slippers!)(like it matters, but I'm in ramble mode)

/ramble
tried to eat the safe banana: Daisythefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 10:12 pm (UTC)
I am very much entertained by your posts, whatever flavor they may be.

Thank you!

more sg-1 recs! um, please?

I think I have about 500 left to get through. The problem with SG1 is that most of the stories don't fit into themes very well, or I would rec it more often. *eyes the whole fandom sternly*

And dernit, I picked the 'socks' option on the last question, but it occurs to me now that I'm not wearing any socks!

Then we will consider them figurative socks. You are figuratively wearing Thursday socks on a Wednesday. Now, I have no idea what the metaphor means - I'll leave that to the reader to decide - but it seems very potent and deep and such.
Imaginary Researcher: Luke Skywalker - elefwinhannahrorlove on November 29th, 2006 08:12 pm (UTC)
I actually am wearing socks that would probably have served me better if I had decided to wear them tomorrow. No guff.
tried to eat the safe banana: Huh - Mutant Blue Thingthefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 10:14 pm (UTC)
It's wrong that I want to ask for details on what they look like and why they'd have been better tomorrow, right?

Yes. Wrong.

(I am not wearing socks at ALL, yet I still rebelliously chose the sock option. *is dangerously iconoclastic*)
peeps wanna see peeps boink: coolmusesfool on November 29th, 2006 08:12 pm (UTC)
Man, isn't it awesome when you go look and see someone's left feedback and they read the story because of your rec? I always love seeing that. For a few days after I put up a recs post, I check on certain stories, especially if they didn't have a lot of feedback before.
tried to eat the safe bananathefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 10:18 pm (UTC)
Man, isn't it awesome when you go look and see someone's left feedback and they read the story because of your rec? I always love seeing that.

IT IS THE MOST AWESOME THING EVER. (And I only feel sort of stupid for not discovering this awesomeness until maybe four weeks ago. I am slow, but I get there in the end.)

especially if they didn't have a lot of feedback before

*nod nod nod*

Yes. There are some stories that I think, "Why does this not have eight pages of feedback?" And in the past, I've always just hoped that my rec would result in additional feedback for that story; in the future, though, I am by god going to CHECK. Seeing if I caused someone to read a story or watch a vid is the most fun thing ever.
on sateda, i was an accountantminervacat on November 29th, 2006 08:14 pm (UTC)
i tend to skip your talk about any anime stories, but i read everything else you post, no matter whether i'm in the fandom or not.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV umbrellathefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 10:22 pm (UTC)
i tend to skip your talk about any anime stories

Okay, see, I am a bad person, because I read that and immediately thought, "How can I get minervacat to see the wonder that is anime?" (I know, I know, anime is not everyone's thing. But I have a post on anime for non-anime people in the works, and, and, it's really not all giant robots and naked girls - although I am in no way denigrating the joys of giant robots and naked girls - and, and, and - okay, I'm shutting up now. Anime = not your thing. This is fine.)

i read everything else you post, no matter whether i'm in the fandom or not.

Wow. Thank you. *heart swells to a dangerous size from sheer JOY*
(no subject) - minervacat on November 29th, 2006 10:59 pm (UTC) (Expand)
torchflambeau on November 29th, 2006 08:16 pm (UTC)
sometimes you can see actual feedback on stories that probably is the result of your rec! (Like, sometimes people say, "Here from thefourthvine,"

Yes, yes they do, and it is a lovely thing. :) I should say a big thank you and burn some incense in your honor!
tried to eat the safe banana: Daisythefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 10:34 pm (UTC)
Yes, yes they do, and it is a lovely thing.

It makes everyone happy. I'm making a mental note to do this the next time I arrive at a story because of someone's rec.

I should say a big thank you and burn some incense in your honor!

You made me think of Famous Five slash. You've done enough. Although, hey, if you do burn incense, make it some of the really cleansing kind, okay? My soul apparently needs all the help it can get.
(no subject) - flambeau on November 30th, 2006 10:21 am (UTC) (Expand)
intellectual peppery: Do I preach to you while you're lyingeleveninches on November 29th, 2006 08:17 pm (UTC)
I get a TON of hits DAILY straight from your lj to my Smallville story.
tried to eat the safe banana: Crackthefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 11:09 pm (UTC)
Wow. Cool. Both to know - recommending works! - and because everyone should read that story. GOAT. And VAMPIRE. And SHINY LEX.

*basks in the knowledge of a job well-done*
JaneDavitt: jack/daniel bynevskayajanedavitt on November 29th, 2006 08:18 pm (UTC)
If you want some cold, hard facts, ma'am, you recced Leaving Time, one of my Jack/Daniel fics, on Oct 6. The stats for my page show that people came to visit in October from the following connected places:

Your LJ 90 hits
Your LJ, the rec entry itself 25 hits
Your LJ, your 'vids' tag 6 hits
Your LJ, your SGA tag 2 hits.

In November, the stats so far are:

Your LJ 8
SG-1 tag 8
Vid tag 5
SGA tag 5
Your LJ friends 1
Rec post 1

So, thank you very much! :-)
tried to eat the safe banana: I sleep with computers.thefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 11:13 pm (UTC)
Wow. Nifty. I am - sort of awed by those numbers. I assume a bunch of them are repeats, but even so, that's a lot of people.

*happy*

Cold, hard facts, as it turns out, are very wonderful things indeed. Thank you for sharing them with me!
ngaio on November 29th, 2006 08:19 pm (UTC)
I decided to be totally and completely confusing in one answer:

Do you ever look through my back catalog of recommendations?

Because I said both yes (to tags) and no (just Flist). When I first found your recs I went through the crossover tag. And if I have a new fandom then I *may* come visit and see what you've rec'd, but *mainly* I just read when it turns up on my list. But then ... well I read in *a lot* of fandoms so when you do rec stuff unless the fandom is one I've never had the slightest urge to read then I'm quite likely to go see what the fuss is about at least!
tried to eat the safe banana: Daisythefourthvine on November 29th, 2006 11:17 pm (UTC)
*nods*

This makes sense. (And thank you for explaining, because those two answers together would've been a bit confusing without the explanation.) I mean, anyone who has been here a while has no incentive to wander through my back catalog. Except, of course, in the case of new fandoms. I am really pleased that people use my tags when they pick up new fandoms.

But then ... well I read in *a lot* of fandoms so when you do rec stuff unless the fandom is one I've never had the slightest urge to read then I'm quite likely to go see what the fuss is about at least!

I appear to be a multi-fannish enabler. This makes me very proud.