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21 February 2007 @ 01:26 am
Poll: Compare Amongst Yourselves  
norah is visiting me, and we got to talking, as we often do. (Okay. Full disclosure: the actual challenge would be making us shut the fuck up.) And one thing we talked about reminded me of a poll I'd considered posting lo these many moons ago, to test a hypothesis that I can't very well tell you beforehand. (Bias is death to informal and statistically skewed LJ polls, my friends.)

So, first, let me just say: hey, it'd be cool if you'd take this poll. I would love you and stuff.

Second - when I say "your friends list," I mean the portion of your friends list that you read regularly - your default reading filter, if you have one, or the whole list if that's how you read. (If you don't read your friends list at all, this poll is not going to be a good fit for you.) My point is, I want you to consider the people you know the best. (Which is not to say you necessarily know them well, of course.) And when I say "the average," I mean your own personally assessed average of this trait over your friends list.

And, seriously, there are no bad answers here. I'm only wondering where you fit into your own mental picture of your friends list for these particular variables. I know you may not have great data for all these questions; just give me your first reaction, and I will of course love you forever.

ETA: Please don't go back to change your answers after you've finished the poll and seen the results! (Unless you think of something you want to add to the text box, or you've decided shoes are more important than almost-cock. Those questions are weighty and take long consideration; I understand that.)



Poll #931955 Consensus, Part Two

Compared with your friends list, do you feel:

Happier
243(33.4%)
About as happy as the average
388(53.3%)
Less happy
97(13.3%)

Compared with your friends list, do you feel:

Luckier
237(32.6%)
About as lucky as the average
411(56.5%)
Less lucky
79(10.9%)

Compared with your friends list, do you feel:

More successful
118(16.2%)
About as successful as the average
366(50.3%)
Less successful
244(33.5%)

Compared with your friends list, do you feel:

More open
114(15.7%)
About as open as the average
242(33.2%)
Less open
372(51.1%)

Compared with your friends list, do you feel:

More sexually active
84(11.5%)
About as sexually active as the average
196(26.9%)
Less sexually active
449(61.6%)

Compared with your friends list, do you feel:

Kinkier
144(19.8%)
About as kinky as the average
391(53.8%)
Less kinky
192(26.4%)

Compared with your friends list, do you feel:

More moral or ethical
62(8.5%)
About as moral or ethical as the average
597(82.1%)
Less moral or ethical
68(9.4%)

Compared with your friends list, do you feel:

More liked
48(6.6%)
About as liked as the average
423(58.1%)
Less liked
257(35.3%)

Compared with your friends list, do you feel:

Smarter
134(18.4%)
About as smart as the average
485(66.7%)
Less smart
108(14.9%)

Compared with your friends list, do you feel:

More creative
73(10.1%)
About as creative as average
280(38.6%)
Less creative
372(51.3%)

Compared with your friends list, do you feel:

Richer
196(26.9%)
About as financially well-off as the average
348(47.8%)
Poorer
184(25.3%)

Compared with your friends list, do you feel:

More stable
272(37.6%)
As stable as the average
324(44.8%)
Less stable
128(17.7%)

Compared with your friends list, do you feel:

More physically attractive
111(15.2%)
About as attractive as the average
432(59.3%)
Less physically attractive
185(25.4%)

Compared with your friends list, do you feel:

More normal
78(10.8%)
About as normal as the average
507(70.0%)
Less normal
139(19.2%)

Anything else you'd like to share about how you compare yourself to your friends list?

Finally, as always, please select a random chunk of text as you exit the poll.

A few months back in the Dark Ages
150(20.8%)
Queen Anne Chair
69(9.6%)
Shoes: The Complete Sourcebook
91(12.6%)
OH MY GOD WILL THE WEIRD NEVER STOP
133(18.4%)
It's not a cock, exactly.
279(38.6%)
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cardaliacardalia on February 21st, 2007 09:46 am (UTC)
Huh, very interesting, I'll have to come back and see what people think later! I've got my own predictions about the results too, so it'll be interesting to see if they come true. So far a lot of people (including me) are already feeling less creative than anyone else. ;)
tried to eat the safe banana: Calamity Physicsthefourthvine on February 21st, 2007 10:16 am (UTC)
I have Many Theories that I (of course) don't want to discuss. Yet. But, yeah, I'm bouncing eagerly awaiting these results, and hoping maybe someone will pimp this poll somewhere. (And if you want to comment about your theories, either screened or not, I'd love to hear about them. That would be deeply fascinating, to see what other people are expecting to come of this exercise.)
(no subject) - cardalia on February 21st, 2007 12:22 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Karen: Crayon Bombodditycollector on February 21st, 2007 10:08 am (UTC)
Re. the last question, have you ever read The Short Happy Life of the Brown Oxford?
tried to eat the safe banana: Smilethefourthvine on February 21st, 2007 10:25 am (UTC)
I have now. And yay for the shoe! (Normally I'm not a big fan of Dick - wait, that came out wrong. I tend not to enjoy Philip K. Dick's writing, so I haven't read a whole bunch of his stories. But that, I enjoyed. Thank you!)
(no subject) - odditycollector on February 21st, 2007 11:08 am (UTC) (Expand)
Coooooookie!ldthomps on February 21st, 2007 10:10 am (UTC)
I haven't looked at other people's answers yet, but my general understanding is that Most folks feel like they're poorer, harder working, more ethical, etc., than Most Everybody Else. On the other hand, friends lists are made of people whom, most probably, we view as Like ourselves, so. Hunh! Interesting! I shall await answers, and the unveiling of your hypothesis and how this all informs it!
tried to eat the safe banana: Far and away I wish do knok and enter...thefourthvine on February 21st, 2007 10:27 am (UTC)
That's the interesting part of it - sure, Every Person might think he's poorer, smarter, more ethical, etc. than Everybody Else, but our friends list - we actually know something about them, about their lives. And we select them for ourselves. So I'm predicting the results will be - well, different.

*unreasonably fascinated*
apatheia_jane on February 21st, 2007 10:11 am (UTC)
So, the majority of people feel they are less sexually active & less creative than their flist.

Although, if most fans are lurkers, but most of their flist is made up of BNFs, the "less creative" might actually be statistically possible.
tried to eat the safe banana: Violet's assthefourthvine on February 21st, 2007 10:29 am (UTC)
I do think it's interesting that nearly everyone so far thinks other people are having more sex. And the lurker factor is another interesting point, but then, if you're answering a poll, are you really a lurker? (If a lurker clicks on a radio button, but no one hears him, is he still a lurker?)
(no subject) - ratcreature on February 21st, 2007 10:45 am (UTC) (Expand)
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The artist soon to be known as happydorkforeverdirt on February 21st, 2007 10:12 am (UTC)
Heeh, this was fun! I do that thing where I only tend to compare myself to people I perceive to be better than me in that area, so it was kind of calming to compare myself with a whole bunch of disparate people I know and like, rather than just the half dozen who produce epic, hand-illustrated stories in seven languages while studying to be doctors and volunteering in orphanages.

(As a mathematician I know puts it, he is, of course, the worst mathematician in the world -- those other people who are worse than him at maths? Terribly nice people, of course, but not what you'd call mathematicians, exactly.)
tried to eat the safe banana: Love mathsthefourthvine on February 21st, 2007 10:32 am (UTC)
(Have I mentioned to you lately that I love that icon? Because I do. <3!)

I do that thing where I only tend to compare myself to people I perceive to be better than me in that area, so it was kind of calming to compare myself with a whole bunch of disparate people I know and like, rather than just the half dozen who produce epic, hand-illustrated stories in seven languages while studying to be doctors and volunteering in orphanages.

I agree. Although I was kind of surprised at some of my own responses. (And, you know, I made the poll - you'd think I'd at least know what to expect from my own answers. But I didn't, not in every case.)

As a mathematician I know puts it, he is, of course, the worst mathematician in the world -- those other people who are worse than him at maths? Terribly nice people, of course, but not what you'd call mathematicians, exactly.

This is a standard feature of mathematicians everywhere. They will also all tell you that they are, at best, mediocre at math. (Because, of course, they know precisely how much they don't know.) And very often the best ones will insist they aren't actually mathematicians at all.

I love numbers, but I love mathematicians more.
Rat Creature: huh?ratcreature on February 21st, 2007 10:30 am (UTC)
I'm kind of confused: where is the first part if this is part two?
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV bluethefourthvine on February 21st, 2007 10:34 am (UTC)
Here. This is part two in a long-planned, long-delayed series of polls. The first was sanity by consensus. This is - well, it was supposed to be normalcy by consensus, but it mutated. Possibly I should change the subject of it entirely.

*ponders*
(no subject) - ratcreature on February 21st, 2007 10:52 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - thefourthvine on February 21st, 2007 11:06 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - ratcreature on February 21st, 2007 11:31 am (UTC) (Expand)
Episkopos Rev. Alixtii O'Krul V, TRLalixtii on February 21st, 2007 11:08 am (UTC)
Hmm, this could measure fen's perceptions of themselves as below or above "average"--or it could measure whether fen on your flist are below or above the average of feb on their flist.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV menorahthefourthvine on February 21st, 2007 09:08 pm (UTC)
Well, my hope is that this will be pimped by people, and then maybe I'll get a selection of folks not on my friends list, too. But, yeah - it's surely not a random sample of fandom, and we'll mostly find out what people who read me think about how they compare to their own friends lists.
lilacsigillilacsigil on February 21st, 2007 11:23 am (UTC)
This is fascinating - after filling out the poll, I went back and thought about what my answers would be if I happened to compare myself to offline friends or my local community. My answers would be totally different. Except for the Queen Anne Chair.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV umbrellathefourthvine on February 21st, 2007 09:14 pm (UTC)
See, yeah, that's it exactly. One of the things MMWD and I were talking about is how different our answers would be if we didn't have LJ. Because LJ is by no means a cross-section of life, but at least for me it does provide a healthier range for some of the categories listed above, if that makes sense. I get to know about the lives of people I'd normally never meet, and that means my perception of what is average has changed enormously since I got here. Which fascinates me.
miriam heddymiriam_heddy on February 21st, 2007 11:53 am (UTC)
Generally, I think I read my flist for empathy--to see I'm not alone. So I tend to feel about average in most respects. I suspect that this is somewhat gendered.
tried to eat the safe banana: TFV bluethefourthvine on February 21st, 2007 09:18 pm (UTC)
Oh my god, that's such an interesting point, and one I didn't even consider while making this poll: what we use our friends list for, why we read it, what we're hoping for - that's all a big part of this.

Not one I can probably easily poll on, though.

But still, it's a fascinating point. (Like, I know I want, and try, to read people who are different from each other - it's one of the things I'm hoping for from my LJ experience. But I also know that my baseline selection criteria (like, "must not write LJ in l33t") mean I don't do a very good job of making my friends list diverse.)
I saw you eating ice cream, pal!: Maggie/Hopeyglossing on February 21st, 2007 11:57 am (UTC)
norah is visiting me, and we got to talking, as we often do
OTP, yay!

I'm really intrigued by these results.
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wychwood on February 21st, 2007 11:59 am (UTC)
This is hilarious :) 67% of respondents think they're less sexually-active than the average of their flist? What does that say about how much we talk about stuff? *g*

(PS I totally have to confess that I think I'm smarter than most people, but my flist is fiendishly intelligent, so I'm "as smart" or "less smart" than it)

I look forward to seeing your analysis of all this! :)
wychwood on February 21st, 2007 12:02 pm (UTC)
PPS On richness: I said "average", but - well, ok, I'm totally broke and I have no income at all, so I'm poor, but I'm living at home funded by my parents, so I'm not worrying about money so much, which makes me relatively well-off. So that's very much an "it depends" question.
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Lyra: oh greatwatergal on February 21st, 2007 12:14 pm (UTC)
I'd prefer not to admit how long I pondered what it meant to be more or less normal than average. ::clicks on "less smart"::
tried to eat the safe banana: Dinosaurs and sodomythefourthvine on February 21st, 2007 11:23 pm (UTC)
I think that actually means you're smarter than average. Because it's an amusing question, and also a weird one - after all, the key message of stats is that no one is actually normal, right?
Curried Goat in a paper cupderien on February 21st, 2007 12:36 pm (UTC)
There isn't really any way to link the results of each answer to each other, is there? With these polls we don't know if the same people who feel that they are less normal are also the same people who feel they are more successful (choosing two at random).
cimness on February 21st, 2007 06:14 pm (UTC)
The results are visible to thefourthvine, so she could track the statistics about it if she wanted to.
(no subject) - thefourthvine on February 21st, 2007 11:27 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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celli on February 21st, 2007 12:39 pm (UTC)
I seriously stopped dead at the "success" question and stared at it for several minutes in shame before giving in and clicking "more." I have to call my sister and tell her all her lectures about women not wanting to admit they're either ambitious or happy with their achievements in life may have a point. At least for me. Because that was a really hard question to answer truthfully.
tried to eat the safe banana: Love mathsthefourthvine on February 21st, 2007 11:29 pm (UTC)
*cheers for you*

*also cheers for your sister*

Because that was a really hard question to answer truthfully.

It's interesting - it's that one and the smartness one that are hanging people up, in terms of not wanting to say "yeah, smarter, yeah, more succesful." (I notice no one seems to have a problem with admitting to being less anything, though, and I'm betting if my study group was mostly male that would be different.) And, you know, I should've expected that, but I really didn't.
misspamela: Stephen - tx_tartmisspamela on February 21st, 2007 12:57 pm (UTC)
Wow, these are the hard questions first thing in the morning!

I think the "sexually active" question reflects whether or not people are partnered: I am partnered and you are partnered, so I assume we're having similar amounts of sex, whereas I assume that the single people on my flist are having little or no sex. Which is, of course, a pretty poor assumption to make.

The attractive thing is tricky. Veerrrrry tricky.
tried to eat the safe banana: Sharethefourthvine on February 21st, 2007 11:49 pm (UTC)
I am here to challenge you! (Well, okay, no, I'm mostly here to pimp porn to you, but "challenge you" sounds better, I think. *considers modifying LJ mission statement*)

I am partnered and you are partnered, so I assume we're having similar amounts of sex, whereas I assume that the single people on my flist are having little or no sex. Which is, of course, a pretty poor assumption to make.

One of the odd things I've learned in the past few years - although mostly through RL as opposed to LJ - is that - well, okay. I also used to assume that that if you were partnered, you were having fairly regular, satisfying sex, unless there was a problem, like one of you had just had a baby or hip surgery or something. But then I found out that, no, actually a lot of my partnered friends (and especially, oddly enough, Best Beloved's partnered friends) are not having sex. I first discovered this because one of BB's friends expressed shock that we are still having sex. And said friend was herself partnered at the time, and had been for six years, and had not had sex for five of them.

BB and I were stunned by this revelation, but the friend didn't think it was really that strange.

But since then, more and more often, we've been getting the, "You're married and still having sex thing?" And part of that is that people expect lesbians not to have sex, but part of it is just - these days, lots of people in long-term relationships, whether gay or straight, seem not to have sex. (There was even a cover story in, I think, the New Yorker several years ago on just this topic.)

So, my long-winded point is: I don't assume that partnered means having sex anymore.

The attractive thing is tricky. Veerrrrry tricky.

I admit, I'm really curious about how that turns out, because I have a definite opinion on this even though I've hardly seen any of my friends list.
(no subject) - bethbethbeth on March 1st, 2007 06:20 am (UTC) (Expand)